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Jan 24, 2013 01:26:23   #
rrforster12 Loc: Leesburg Florida
 
Gnslngr wrote:
MisterWilson wrote:
Why is there more anguish over first graders being shot at school, than over soldiers or college students being killed by gunmen?

As adults, we try to protect young lives, and we grieve more over the loss of young victims.

Of course there is sadness for the loss of any life, but usually much more for children than for adults.


A fetus is not a child. It is a promise of a child to the parents. But the amount of abortions pales in comparison to the amount of life crime, disease, poverty and war takes. Where are the priorities?
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That "promise of a child" has a heart beat, feels pain, and many believe has a soul. One can be arrested and prosecuted for killing kittens or puppies but killing unborn children is acceptable. Go figure

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Jan 24, 2013 03:32:49   #
Jan F. Rasmussen Loc: Denmark
 
There is no such thing as a soul

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Jan 24, 2013 09:12:30   #
SpeedyWilson Loc: Upstate South Carolina
 
Refusal to believe until proof is given is a rational position; denial of all outside of our own limited experience is absurd.
~~Annie Besant

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Jan 24, 2013 09:35:47   #
Gnslngr
 
MisterWilson wrote:
Refusal to believe until proof is given is a rational position; denial of all outside of our own limited experience is absurd.
~~Annie Besant


Mister Wilson, that quote is used by atheists. Just thought you'd like to know.

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Jan 24, 2013 09:42:22   #
Pookers
 
Sorry but women still die from this...some a physical death and many more an emotional death that "lives" with them the rest of their life....
and what is so ironic is the baby that was the center of RvW was not aborted...wonder how she feels about abortion?
guess the biggest indignation for me, besides the lost of a little ones life , is I have seen for myself the same women having abortions 2 to 3 times in as many years...it is their chosen method of birth control. So not only the obvious dislike of abortion, but my tax money is paying ....why not go on birth control? But ...it is beautiful here...have a wonderful day

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Jan 24, 2013 09:52:47   #
Gnslngr
 
Pookers wrote:
Sorry but women still die from this...some a physical death and many more an emotional death that "lives" with them the rest of their life....
and what is so ironic is the baby that was the center of RvW was not aborted...wonder how she feels about abortion?
guess the biggest indignation for me, besides the lost of a little ones life , is I have seen for myself the same women having abortions 2 to 3 times in as many years...it is their chosen method of birth control. So not only the obvious dislike of abortion, but my tax money is paying ....why not go on birth control? But ...it is beautiful here...have a wonderful day
Sorry but women still die from this...some a physi... (show quote)


I, too, don't believe it should be used as a form of birth control. The first and most obvious reason for that is the medical risk in doing so. But it ain't my body, so what's a fellow to do?

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Jan 24, 2013 09:57:33   #
SpeedyWilson Loc: Upstate South Carolina
 
Gnslngr, that quote might be used by athiests, but if you analyze it, it is true for those who eventually do change their non-belief into belief:

1 - "Refusal to believe until proof is given is a rational position" ... All non-believers refuse to believe, until they are convinced by the proof of the truth of God.

2 - "denial of all outside of our own limited experience is absurd" ... since a non-believer is trusting their limited experience for their denial of a God, that is absurd. When they do eventually believe what they once denied, that is no longer absurd.

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Jan 24, 2013 10:02:16   #
Gnslngr
 
MisterWilson wrote:
That quote might be used by athiests, but if you analyze it, it is true for those who eventually do change their non-belief into belief:

1 - "Refusal to believe until proof is given is a rational position" ... All non-believers refuse to believe, until they are convinced by the proof of the truth of God.

2 - "denial of all outside of our own limited experience is absurd" ... since a non-believer is trusting their limited experience for their denial of a God, that is absurd. When they do eventually believe what they once denied, that is no longer absurd.
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Well, this is another thing we will never agree on, but I don't believe that your second statement is what the quote meant. I deny the existence of a god and refuse to believe, but it does not come from merely my limited experience. It comes from an agonized look at history and science, and a deep introspection. Remember, every atheist starts out as a believer. None of us want to end up without a god - that concept is a comfort and a soothing thought that calms inner fears and troubles. Problem is, our reason, our study, our examination of the evidence presented convinces us that there is no such thing. We're not happy about it, nor are we proud, we just are what we are.

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Jan 24, 2013 10:08:54   #
SpeedyWilson Loc: Upstate South Carolina
 
It all depends on what a person is reasoning, studying, or examining. Only in the word of God will the true answers be found, not in the musings of other men; no matter how well intended, they will only lead us astray.

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Jan 24, 2013 11:04:12   #
yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon
 
Gnslngr wrote:
Eugene wrote:
Now that's a good point....Why is the man somehow responsible for taking care of the child if she decides to have it but has no say in the fact if she decides to abort it???? Seems like they want their cake and eat it too...I guess they CAN have it both ways. Seems unfair to the man if you look at it this way.


I once thought that as well. But the only way a fellow gets into a situation where a woman has a child the man doesn't want is if the man has .... well, you know. I guess if a man has to pay for an unwanted child he should have thought better of his, er, actions, in the first place.
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What about her,er actions?

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Jan 24, 2013 11:11:17   #
yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon
 
Gnslngr wrote:
Eugene wrote:
Now that's a good point....Why is the man somehow responsible for taking care of the child if she decides to have it but has no say in the fact if she decides to abort it???? Seems like they want their cake and eat it too...I guess they CAN have it both ways. Seems unfair to the man if you look at it this way.


I once thought that as well. But the only way a fellow gets into a situation where a woman has a child the man doesn't want is if the man has .... well, you know. I guess if a man has to pay for an unwanted child he should have thought better of his, er, actions, in the first place.
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So this is where equal rights end?The man is culpable,the woman is not.

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Jan 24, 2013 11:21:49   #
Birdog9999 Loc: New Jersey
 
Want to bet one of the men who worked for me had a son who tried to kill himself when the authorities found out he was committed to a mental institution.

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Jan 24, 2013 11:22:46   #
kurtb Loc: stroudsburg pa.
 
AMEN!

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Jan 24, 2013 11:24:15   #
kurtb Loc: stroudsburg pa.
 
MisterWilson wrote:
It all depends on what a person is reasoning, studying, or examining. Only in the word of God will the true answers be found, not in the musings of other men; no matter how well intended, they will only lead us astray.



Amen

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Jan 25, 2013 00:59:29   #
bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.
 
did you ever get the feeling that there maybe lobbiest that specialise in working the supreme court? that sometimes they get the decisions they want.

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