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Jan 23, 2013 22:45:10   #
TimS Loc: GA
 
K2mbs wrote:
Gnslngr wrote:
K2mbs wrote:
For a guy with the name "gunslinger" you sure seem like a pink panty wearing LIB.
You go ahead and exercise "common sense" (whatever the f*@k that does for you in an emergency with thugs) while you watch your wife get raped...I would rather take my chances with a revolver in that situation. Emasculated men are the reasons for much of our societies problems today. We need more good guys with some balls in our world fighting bullshit where they find it, when they find it.


Easy to say hiding behind a computer screen. What a moron.
quote=K2mbs For a guy with the name "gunslin... (show quote)


Nice comeback Potsie
quote=Gnslngr quote=K2mbs For a guy with the nam... (show quote)


Isn't it ironic that a person whose location is 'in hiding' is criticizing someone for 'hiding behind a computer monitor?'

LOL

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Jan 23, 2013 22:49:03   #
Gnslngr
 
TimS wrote:


Isn't it ironic that a person whose location is 'in hiding' is criticizing someone for 'hiding behind a computer monitor?'

LOL


I don't list where I live because this is the Internet, and I'm not a moron. Now take a look at that pepsi gmt of yours, see the time, and try to get some sleep.

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Jan 24, 2013 00:07:17   #
imntrt1 Loc: St. Louis
 
TimS wrote:
K2mbs wrote:
Gnslngr wrote:
LARRYR. wrote:

Sorry, I seem to have forgotten to take my VIAGRA
this morning and I just can't seem to keep my mind
straight. The point I was getting to, is, if you rather not
own a gun because you wouldn't want to shoot some for
breaking and entering into your home, that's your right.
But if I decide that my life or any one in my family life
is in any danger, then I myself will not shoot to scare any
one, the only noise he or she that is in my house uninvited
will hear, is my gun going off safety. He or she has a choice
stay away from my house or take a chance I don't have
a gun, the choice is their's. So if you post your address they
wan't have to make that choice, they'll already know you
don't own a gun and they want get shot.
br Sorry, I seem to have forgotten to take my VIA... (show quote)


First of all, great line about the Viagra. I'm gonna steal that and call it my own, okay?

Now.... Seriously, Larry, where do you live that there are a spate of vicious home invaders on every block? Doesn't a really good alarm system and safe room accomplish the same thing without the possibility of the homeowner getting killed?

I guess I just don't understand the need for a gun in today's society.
quote=LARRYR. br Sorry, I seem to have forgotten... (show quote)


The creation of the second amendment to the constitution was expressly to protect the citizen from it's government becoming tyrannical. If history has shown us ANYTHING tyrannical governments are not only a possibility, but they are quite COMMON. look up 'dictators' on wikipedia and stare gape jawed at that list. Several of those tyrants existed after our brilliant founding fathers learned the obvious lesson that absolute power corrupts absolutely. They thought the best way to keep a tyrannical government from ever happening was to allow the people to have the power to protect themselves from people they should never have given power to begin with.
The fact that having a powerful weapon to kill a wild animal like a bear that comes through a window, or a crack head desperate for your money, and willing to kill you to get it....is a great bonus.
As far as restricting what weapon one may choose is correct for them...Well they can't shoot a ten+ man angry mob approaching a rural farm house with a revolver, or shotgun. They would need an "assault" type riffle to keep a mob at bay. That would be why restricting any weapon is an infringement on our 2nd amendment rights.
You can pretend all day that America is somehow different than any of the numerous other countries that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that a government can be VERY dangerous to it's people. I would ask anyone analyzing the USA right now that sees a stable government, and country.....is in a coma.
quote=Gnslngr quote=LARRYR. br Sorry, I seem to... (show quote)


Don't mind him. He's living in his own fantasyland where criminals run when an alarm goes off like In the ADT commercials. After all we all know commercials are And accurate representation of reality. And we all know a safe room will help you when you change a tire on the side of the road. But of course nobody has ever been mugged assaulted or raped while changing a tire.
quote=K2mbs quote=Gnslngr quote=LARRYR. br Sor... (show quote)


Safe rooms and Alarm Systems....Merely a false sense of security. I will bet you a years pay that if you live in a house with a safe room (and how many people have the resources to be able to have those in place) and an alarm system, I can get to you and detain you long before you can get to the safe room or hit the panic alarm. If my intent was to harm or kill you those two things alone would not save you. I could get to you and be long gone before the police would be able to respond - probably before they were even dispatched.

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Jan 24, 2013 00:42:36   #
Hal81 Loc: Bucks County, Pa.
 
Gnslngr wrote:
LARRYR. wrote:

Sorry, I seem to have forgotten to take my VIAGRA
this morning and I just can't seem to keep my mind
straight. The point I was getting to, is, if you rather not
own a gun because you wouldn't want to shoot some for
breaking and entering into your home, that's your right.
But if I decide that my life or any one in my family life
is in any danger, then I myself will not shoot to scare any
one, the only noise he or she that is in my house uninvited
will hear, is my gun going off safety. He or she has a choice
stay away from my house or take a chance I don't have
a gun, the choice is their's. So if you post your address they
wan't have to make that choice, they'll already know you
don't own a gun and they want get shot.
br Sorry, I seem to have forgotten to take my VIA... (show quote)


First of all, great line about the Viagra. I'm gonna steal that and call it my own, okay?

Now.... Seriously, Larry, where do you live that there are a spate of vicious home invaders on every block? Doesn't a really good alarm system and safe room accomplish the same thing without the possibility of the homeowner getting killed?

I guess I just don't understand the need for a gun in today's society.
quote=LARRYR. br Sorry, I seem to have forgotten... (show quote)


I see your in hideing so I dont know where you live or care to. But if you see no need to own a gun you must not live in any of our major citys. I live in Bucks County PA. And we are starting to get a rash of home invations here in the country witch was very rare just a few years ago. But if you go into Philly just 50 miles south it ilke a shooting gallery. The same is happening in all major citys. So to each his own. If you dont want to own a gun to protect your familey it is ok with the rest of us. But never try to stop us from our duty of protecting ours. I will shoot to kill anyone that breaks into my home. Cheers.

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Jan 24, 2013 01:00:40   #
rrforster12 Loc: Leesburg Florida
 
As a point of fact re WW2: The was no "Air Force" as a separate branch of service until 1951. Prior to that time we had the Army Air Corp, and the Marines had their own Air Corp, (remember Pappy Boyington and the Black Sheeps Corsairs?) and of course we had the Naval Air Arm. Re "slogging": it is an appropriate description and not a bit negative ( as in slogging through snow and mud) Our boys did plenty of that going through Europe as well as the jungles of the Pacific Islands etc.
Hope this info might help the conversation.

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Jan 24, 2013 05:32:19   #
TimS Loc: GA
 
Gnslngr wrote:
TimS wrote:
I think I need to just ignore all future posts in this thread. It's pretty interesting seeing how other people think (why need guns in such a benevolent, crime-free society) so much so that I think my head is gonna explode. Although its been - interesting - discussing this, I have to take my kid to taekwondo shortly and I have to work tomorrow. So...have fun singing Cumbya in your utopian society. Peace out.


This is the kind of ridiculous nonsense that wingnuts believe about those of us on the opposite side. I don't live in a utopian society, but both of the above posters seem to have missed the fact that I posted that I had a very good home security system and a safe room. If intruders came in, there is zero chance I or my family would be harmed.

Seems much safer than everyone lurking around with a pistol. Someone, usually an innocent, always gets hurt. :thumbup:
quote=TimS I think I need to just ignore all futu... (show quote)


You know, I would be remiss if I didn't point out something obvious here... Gnslngr says that 'both of the above posters seem to have missed the fact that I posted that I had a very good home security system and a safe room." And he has the audacity to call others morons?

What a blubbering moron he is because he obviously can't read what he wrote. Specifically, he wrote:

"Doesn't a really good alarm system and safe room accomplish the same thing without the possibility of the homeowner getting killed?"

Can anyone help me out and show me where in that sentence this idiot said that he HAS an alarm and a safe room? He merely asked the question of whether an alarm and safe room would accomplish the same thing. I answered his question by discussing how they would not accomplish the same thing.

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Jan 24, 2013 07:12:51   #
LARRYR. Loc: Saint Martinville, La.
 
Hal81 wrote:
Gnslngr wrote:
LARRYR. wrote:

Sorry, I seem to have forgotten to take my VIAGRA
this morning and I just can't seem to keep my mind
straight. The point I was getting to, is, if you rather not
own a gun because you wouldn't want to shoot some for
breaking and entering into your home, that's your right.
But if I decide that my life or any one in my family life
is in any danger, then I myself will not shoot to scare any
one, the only noise he or she that is in my house uninvited
will hear, is my gun going off safety. He or she has a choice
stay away from my house or take a chance I don't have
a gun, the choice is their's. So if you post your address they
wan't have to make that choice, they'll already know you
don't own a gun and they want get shot.
br Sorry, I seem to have forgotten to take my VIA... (show quote)


First of all, great line about the Viagra. I'm gonna steal that and call it my own, okay?

Now.... Seriously, Larry, where do you live that there are a spate of vicious home invaders on every block? Doesn't a really good alarm system and safe room accomplish the same thing without the possibility of the homeowner getting killed?

I guess I just don't understand the need for a gun in today's society.
quote=LARRYR. br Sorry, I seem to have forgotten... (show quote)


I see your in hideing so I dont know where you live or care to. But if you see no need to own a gun you must not live in any of our major citys. I live in Bucks County PA. And we are starting to get a rash of home invations here in the country witch was very rare just a few years ago. But if you go into Philly just 50 miles south it ilke a shooting gallery. The same is happening in all major citys. So to each his own. If you dont want to own a gun to protect your familey it is ok with the rest of us. But never try to stop us from our duty of protecting ours. I will shoot to kill anyone that breaks into my home. Cheers.
quote=Gnslngr quote=LARRYR. br Sorry, I seem to... (show quote)


Hal81, I wonder if just an alarm system would work in
the White House, lets remove all the guns and ammo
from the White House and see just how brave our
fearless leaders are. After all aren't our families lives
just as important their's. I bet this will never happen.
import

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Jan 24, 2013 07:24:36   #
Robbie7 Loc: Northampton. England
 
ted45 wrote:
tiger1640 wrote:

Were all those flying planes and shooting down the Japanese Zeros all Marines? Did the Air Force sit back and let the Marines fly their planes. And the Navy sinking all them Japanese ships. Were they all Marines on them Destroyers and submarines?

You say "If you know any Marines you could ask them, they are pretty proud bunch." So are you trying to say that the Army, Navy and Air Force are NOT???


Before you guys get your panties in a bunch and start beating each other with the flag you should get the facts straight:

While we do not like to admit it the Marine Corp is a branch of the Navy. The majority of the planes you see in the films of the Pacific theater were Navy and Marine Corp planes flown by Marine and Navy pilots. The Air Force was busy in Europe keeping the Army alive. However, it was the Air Force that flew the final mission into Tokyo that ended the whole mess.

The Japanese did try to invade the US on several occasions. They were successful on an island in the Aleutian chain off the coast of Alaska. I believe it was a unit of the US Army combined with a Canadian Army unit and the US Navy that retook the island. There have been pictures posted on UHH.

The story about the Japanese being afriad to invade because every American has a gun has been floating around for years. I do not beleive it is an "NRA wet dream" as someone stated. The story is just a piece of American folklore.

Marine Corp history has never attempted to place itself above any other service or to take credit for any action they did not deserve. For you to suggest otherwise is an insult.

The original post is an email making the rounds at this time. It is intended to show the results of the UKs effort to control guns in a bad way. I did not think much of it since it shows what can go wrong with guns in the hands of fools who don't understand the consequences of shooting someone and the illustrated problem is not unique to the UK. If anything the story demonstrates the need for more control, which I am not in favor of.
quote=tiger1640 br Were all those flying planes ... (show quote)


The original post is an email making the rounds at this time. It is intended to show the results of the UKs effort to control guns in a bad way. I did not think much of it since it shows what can go wrong with guns in the hands of fools who don't understand the consequences of shooting someone and the illustrated problem is not unique to the UK. If anything the story demonstrates the need for more control, which I am not in favor of.

You have renewed my faith ..thankyou:-)

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Jan 24, 2013 09:38:32   #
Gnslngr
 
TimS wrote:
You know, I would be remiss if I didn't point out something obvious here... Gnslngr says that 'both of the above posters seem to have missed the fact that I posted that I had a very good home security system and a safe room." And he has the audacity to call others morons?

What a blubbering moron he is because he obviously can't read what he wrote. Specifically, he wrote:

"Doesn't a really good alarm system and safe room accomplish the same thing without the possibility of the homeowner getting killed?"

Can anyone help me out and show me where in that sentence this idiot said that he HAS an alarm and a safe room? He merely asked the question of whether an alarm and safe room would accomplish the same thing. I answered his question by discussing how they would not accomplish the same thing.
You know, I would be remiss if I didn't point out ... (show quote)


Ewwwww..... you're awfully good at reading and re-reading my posts. That's a good thing. Maybe you'll learn something. :thumbup:

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Jan 24, 2013 10:10:13   #
imntrt1 Loc: St. Louis
 
rrforster12 wrote:
As a point of fact re WW2: The was no "Air Force" as a separate branch of service until 1951. Prior to that time we had the Army Air Corp, and the Marines had their own Air Corp, (remember Pappy Boyington and the Black Sheeps Corsairs?) and of course we had the Naval Air Arm. Re "slogging": it is an appropriate description and not a bit negative ( as in slogging through snow and mud) Our boys did plenty of that going through Europe as well as the jungles of the Pacific Islands etc.
Hope this info might help the conversation.
As a point of fact re WW2: The was no "Air Fo... (show quote)


Also, being on a bomber crew in WWII was one of the most dangerous assignments a soldier could have. There was a 71 percent chance you would not survive your required 30 missions. When I was a St Louis Cop my dad used to worry about my safety constantly....In retrospect I now understand that he got shot at a lot more times than I did in my 38 years as a cop. Wish I had known all this while he was still with us.

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Jan 24, 2013 15:12:40   #
Tan Ru
 
You are right, wuzfuzzab. In the Pacific Theater, at least 20 Army Infantry divisions were there, including one Airborne division. They were there all the way from Guadalcanal (October 1942) to Okinawa (April-August 1945). If anyone thinks that they didn't fight the Japanese, I can quote the casualty figures of some of those divisions, if you'd like.

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Jan 24, 2013 15:29:45   #
Hal81 Loc: Bucks County, Pa.
 
The only info we learn from reading your post is that your the moron.

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Jan 24, 2013 23:28:56   #
wuzfuzzab Loc: Red Deer, Alberta
 
Tan Ru wrote:
You are right, wuzfuzzab. In the Pacific Theater, at least 20 Army Infantry divisions were there, including one Airborne division. They were there all the way from Guadalcanal (October 1942) to Okinawa (April-August 1945). If anyone thinks that they didn't fight the Japanese, I can quote the casualty figures of some of those divisions, if you'd like.


Yep, the 11th Abn---those guys had a rep as being wild and wooly and somewhat uncontrollable. LOL

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