Reflections on Gun control.
Hal81 wrote:
DEBJENROB wrote:
Mattie wrote:
TrainNut wrote:
Here is real data. The UK has a higher crime rate than the U.S. So the "Ban on guns" has hurt their society.
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If we can allow jillions of all races of people into this country unchecked.... there's no telling what else is coming with them. This country has never seen so many people here and it's still an open border. Guns and other things along with it. No President wanted to stop this flow. It's getting worse instead of better. Soon we will be like those other countries --- afraid to even walk out the door of your house. The drug companies better hurry and make more and newer drugs. Don't know how people will manage with the gunshots. Its a never ending thing. This country is fast becoming a third world country where water will be hard to find, food will be fought over for lack of growth due to lack of rain, hospitals will be closed cause of jillions flocking in for what ever reason, Doctors will only care for the wealthy ... others will die in the streets. That day, my friend, will come..... and we brought it upon ourselves for lack of foresight or lack of caring into the future. The rich will live on the mountain tops....and wonder what happened.
It was unheard of years ago of the many, many different races which have flooded our states unknown to most. How did they get here? Does anyone care?
quote=TrainNut Here is real data. The UK has a hi... (
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I am certain that is what was said when your ancestors came to America .... same stuff .... same hate .... the foundation for our society was built on the backs of immigrants ....
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When our ancestoes came to this country they were looking for a better way of life, jobs & education. Today they just want that hand out. They want theirs on the backs of the working people.
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I think you have a lack of understanding as to the causes of The American Revolution .... the primary cause of the revolution was because the colonists wanted a free ride .... the British provided government and security both on land and sea also favorable trade policies .... the colonists did not want to pay (taxes) for the services rendered by the British .... in fact most of the Founding Fathers preferred reconcilliation with the Crown .... it was armed mobs that percipated the revolution .... in fact most of the colonists refused to fight the British ..... 2/3 of the colonists were either for reconcilation or didn't care .... they did not have an economic stake in separation ...
Hal81
Loc: Bucks County, Pa.
DEBJENROB wrote:
Hal81 wrote:
DEBJENROB wrote:
Mattie wrote:
TrainNut wrote:
Here is real data. The UK has a higher crime rate than the U.S. So the "Ban on guns" has hurt their society.
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If we can allow jillions of all races of people into this country unchecked.... there's no telling what else is coming with them. This country has never seen so many people here and it's still an open border. Guns and other things along with it. No President wanted to stop this flow. It's getting worse instead of better. Soon we will be like those other countries --- afraid to even walk out the door of your house. The drug companies better hurry and make more and newer drugs. Don't know how people will manage with the gunshots. Its a never ending thing. This country is fast becoming a third world country where water will be hard to find, food will be fought over for lack of growth due to lack of rain, hospitals will be closed cause of jillions flocking in for what ever reason, Doctors will only care for the wealthy ... others will die in the streets. That day, my friend, will come..... and we brought it upon ourselves for lack of foresight or lack of caring into the future. The rich will live on the mountain tops....and wonder what happened.
It was unheard of years ago of the many, many different races which have flooded our states unknown to most. How did they get here? Does anyone care?
quote=TrainNut Here is real data. The UK has a hi... (
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I am certain that is what was said when your ancestors came to America .... same stuff .... same hate .... the foundation for our society was built on the backs of immigrants ....
quote=Mattie quote=TrainNut Here is real data. T... (
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When our ancestoes came to this country they were looking for a better way of life, jobs & education. Today they just want that hand out. They want theirs on the backs of the working people.
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I think you have a lack of understanding as to the causes of The American Revolution .... the primary cause of the revolution was because the colonists wanted a free ride .... the British provided government and security both on land and sea also favorable trade policies .... the colonists did not want to pay (taxes) for the services rendered by the British .... in fact most of the Founding Fathers preferred reconcilliation with the Crown .... it was armed mobs that percipated the revolution .... in fact most of the colonists refused to fight the British ..... 2/3 of the colonists were either for reconcilation or didn't care .... they did not have an economic stake in separation ...
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Reread my statment. has nothing to do with your responce. :thumbdown: :thumbdown:
DEBJENROB wrote:
I think you have a lack of understanding as to the causes of The American Revolution .... the primary cause of the revolution was because the colonists wanted a free ride .... the British provided government and security both on land and sea also favorable trade policies .... the colonists did not want to pay (taxes) for the services rendered by the British .... in fact most of the Founding Fathers preferred reconcilliation with the Crown .... it was armed mobs that percipated the revolution .... in fact most of the colonists refused to fight the British ..... 2/3 of the colonists were either for reconcilation or didn't care .... they did not have an economic stake in separation ...
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Seems you are a little off with the cause of the war yourself. Colonists wanted a seat (a vote) and not to just be told what was going to be taxed without any voice. Yes the war was expensive and it was solely for the benefit of the colonists and they should have paid with gratitude. One vote would not have prevented any taxes anyway but colonists wanted to be recognized as something more than an illegitimate son. I have read that only 20% supported Brittan but I am not a historian.
The armed mob you refer to were the minute men who killed the first Brits? Or are you referring to the colonists who crossed the river to take the British held forts after the red coats were first attacked? You do realize that the Brits were shot for trying to get to our arms storage right? They were going to take our guns and so Americans shot them. Slight exaggeration ... Brits wanted to hang Adams and Hancock too but I have seen liberals take larger liberty with truth than that LOL.
DEBJENROB wrote:
Mattie wrote:
TrainNut wrote:
Here is real data. The UK has a higher crime rate than the U.S. So the "Ban on guns" has hurt their society.
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If we can allow jillions of all races of people into this country unchecked.... there's no telling what else is coming with them. This country has never seen so many people here and it's still an open border. Guns and other things along with it. No President wanted to stop this flow. It's getting worse instead of better. Soon we will be like those other countries --- afraid to even walk out the door of your house. The drug companies better hurry and make more and newer drugs. Don't know how people will manage with the gunshots. Its a never ending thing. This country is fast becoming a third world country where water will be hard to find, food will be fought over for lack of growth due to lack of rain, hospitals will be closed cause of jillions flocking in for what ever reason, Doctors will only care for the wealthy ... others will die in the streets. That day, my friend, will come..... and we brought it upon ourselves for lack of foresight or lack of caring into the future. The rich will live on the mountain tops....and wonder what happened.
It was unheard of years ago of the many, many different races which have flooded our states unknown to most. How did they get here? Does anyone care?
quote=TrainNut Here is real data. The UK has a hi... (
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I am certain that is what was said when your ancestors came to America .... same stuff .... same hate .... the foundation for our society was built on the backs of immigrants ....
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You know.... you could have gone all day long w/o saying two words....... 'SAME HATE'..... Are you a mind reader.... Where did you go to school for the HATE lesson? Do I have HATE written on me somewhere I dont know about?
BW326
Loc: Boynton Beach, Florida
WildBill wrote:
DEBJENROB wrote:
I think you have a lack of understanding as to the causes of The American Revolution .... the primary cause of the revolution was because the colonists wanted a free ride .... the British provided government and security both on land and sea also favorable trade policies .... the colonists did not want to pay (taxes) for the services rendered by the British .... in fact most of the Founding Fathers preferred reconcilliation with the Crown .... it was armed mobs that percipated the revolution .... in fact most of the colonists refused to fight the British ..... 2/3 of the colonists were either for reconcilation or didn't care .... they did not have an economic stake in separation ...
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Seems you are a little off with the cause of the war yourself. Colonists wanted a seat (a vote) and not to just be told what was going to be taxed without any voice. Yes the war was expensive and it was solely for the benefit of the colonists and they should have paid with gratitude. One vote would not have prevented any taxes anyway but colonists wanted to be recognized as something more than an illegitimate son. I have read that only 20% supported Brittan but I am not a historian.
The armed mob you refer to were the minute men who killed the first Brits? Or are you referring to the colonists who crossed the river to take the British held forts after the red coats were first attacked? You do realize that the Brits were shot for trying to get to our arms storage right? They were going to take our guns and so Americans shot them. Slight exaggeration ... Brits wanted to hang Adams and Hancock too but I have seen liberals take larger liberty with truth than that LOL.
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I am no historian either but just recently read a very good book (in my opinion) entitled "The Founders" that does tend to support a number of the statements by DebJenRob however you are right that the colonists fiercely objected to taxation without representation. Also, the Brits may have given Adams a lighter sentence if they had won the war since many recognized that he was the laywer who successfully defended the Bristish soldiers in the Boston Massacre trial.
The most interesting thing I read in the book (The Founders) was that the author concluded that Washington himself favored reconciliation with the crown and would have likely fought on their side if he had not been turned down for a commission to a regular army officer rank. Not only did the British deny his request for a commission, they turned down his claim for large sections of land rights for participating in the Indian Wars. It was shortly after his last claim was denied that he came forward to petition the Continental Congress for a position in the Revolutionary Army.
Hal81 wrote:
DEBJENROB wrote:
Hal81 wrote:
DEBJENROB wrote:
Mattie wrote:
TrainNut wrote:
Here is real data. The UK has a higher crime rate than the U.S. So the "Ban on guns" has hurt their society.
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If we can allow jillions of all races of people into this country unchecked.... there's no telling what else is coming with them. This country has never seen so many people here and it's still an open border. Guns and other things along with it. No President wanted to stop this flow. It's getting worse instead of better. Soon we will be like those other countries --- afraid to even walk out the door of your house. The drug companies better hurry and make more and newer drugs. Don't know how people will manage with the gunshots. Its a never ending thing. This country is fast becoming a third world country where water will be hard to find, food will be fought over for lack of growth due to lack of rain, hospitals will be closed cause of jillions flocking in for what ever reason, Doctors will only care for the wealthy ... others will die in the streets. That day, my friend, will come..... and we brought it upon ourselves for lack of foresight or lack of caring into the future. The rich will live on the mountain tops....and wonder what happened.
It was unheard of years ago of the many, many different races which have flooded our states unknown to most. How did they get here? Does anyone care?
quote=TrainNut Here is real data. The UK has a hi... (
show quote)
I am certain that is what was said when your ancestors came to America .... same stuff .... same hate .... the foundation for our society was built on the backs of immigrants ....
quote=Mattie quote=TrainNut Here is real data. T... (
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When our ancestoes came to this country they were looking for a better way of life, jobs & education. Today they just want that hand out. They want theirs on the backs of the working people.
quote=DEBJENROB quote=Mattie quote=TrainNut Her... (
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I think you have a lack of understanding as to the causes of The American Revolution .... the primary cause of the revolution was because the colonists wanted a free ride .... the British provided government and security both on land and sea also favorable trade policies .... the colonists did not want to pay (taxes) for the services rendered by the British .... in fact most of the Founding Fathers preferred reconcilliation with the Crown .... it was armed mobs that percipated the revolution .... in fact most of the colonists refused to fight the British ..... 2/3 of the colonists were either for reconcilation or didn't care .... they did not have an economic stake in separation ...
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Reread my statment. has nothing to do with your responce. :thumbdown: :thumbdown:
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Sorry .... I thought you were referring to our ancestors ... I should have realized that "our ancestors" may have come to America at different times and for different reasons .... the point is that we have a history of free loading ... if that is what you want to call it ... and in the final analysis it has insured political stability ....
DEBJENROB wrote:
cameraniac wrote:
DEBJENROB wrote:
You are finally correct .... why do rational people talk to a wall .... and for your information, I am not anti-gun ... in-fact at one time I belonged to the NRA ... and ... at one time I probably had more gun than you ... but ... my guns were competition target and skeet guns .... I always believed that only disturbed people who worry about the size of their penis buy an AR15 type weapon .... if you hunt ... there are better firearms ... if you target shoot ... there are better weapons ... so ... I guess a person buys an AR-15 type gun because it makes him feel better about himself ... almost like buying a Porche and driving 5mph below the posted speed limit
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You have no idea what you are talking about. I've posted the reasons for my preferring to shoot AR/M4 rifles. Look it up. Anyways, who are you to dictate to someone what kind of gun they should or should not have?
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I am not "dictating" ..... I am giving my opinion .... once again ... there are better guns available for any ligitimate purpose ... I worry about the mental state of the person who owns an AR-15 .... holding the AR-15 makes the owner a "macho" man .... did you ever see a REAL competition target rifle or pistol .... nothing macho about them ....
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Hey Doc ..... ehh, what a load of trash
..... there's more to shooting than what you mention
..... I've shot them all ..... you're totally in the dark
..... you're entitled your opinion and that part of the problem with forum discussions because the uneducated at times may seem correct, however I for one know you're a lot hot air .....
..... so tell me doc, what's keeping you down?
Robert G
Loc: Raised in Oh. & Ky. live in Az now
AR-15 rifles when properly equipped are more than capable of and are often used in match shooting competitions. It is available in several differant calibers and is an excellant platform for a variety of sporting, hunting, defense, competition and tactical applications. It can easliy and guickly be reconfigured to meet changing conditions and needs. It is a well designed, reliable, accurate and suitable weapon for many uses and unfortunatley much maligned because of the actions of a few psychopaths.
Robert G wrote:
AR-15 rifles when properly equipped are more than capable of and are often used in match shooting competitions. It is available in several differant calibers and is an excellant platform for a variety of sporting, hunting, defense, competition and tactical applications. It can easliy and guickly be reconfigured to meet changing conditions and needs. It is a well designed, reliable, accurate and suitable weapon for many uses and unfortunatley much maligned because of the actions of a few psychopaths.
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Yea. It's kinda like banning hammers because people are killed with a hammer. Google "Killed with a hammer" and be surprised.
TrainNut wrote:
Robert G wrote:
AR-15 rifles when properly equipped are more than capable of and are often used in match shooting competitions. It is available in several differant calibers and is an excellant platform for a variety of sporting, hunting, defense, competition and tactical applications. It can easliy and guickly be reconfigured to meet changing conditions and needs. It is a well designed, reliable, accurate and suitable weapon for many uses and unfortunatley much maligned because of the actions of a few psychopaths.
AR-15 rifles when properly equipped are more than ... (
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Yea. It's kinda like banning hammers because people are killed with a hammer. Google "Killed with a hammer" and be surprised.
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Can't find anywhere when someone with a hammer kills 20-30 people, maybe i am looking in the wrong place! Please direct me where mass killings have occurred with a hammer!
Reddog wrote:
TrainNut wrote:
Robert G wrote:
AR-15 rifles when properly equipped are more than capable of and are often used in match shooting competitions. It is available in several differant calibers and is an excellant platform for a variety of sporting, hunting, defense, competition and tactical applications. It can easliy and guickly be reconfigured to meet changing conditions and needs. It is a well designed, reliable, accurate and suitable weapon for many uses and unfortunatley much maligned because of the actions of a few psychopaths.
AR-15 rifles when properly equipped are more than ... (
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Yea. It's kinda like banning hammers because people are killed with a hammer. Google "Killed with a hammer" and be surprised.
quote=Robert G AR-15 rifles when properly equippe... (
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Can't find anywhere when someone with a hammer kills 20-30 people, maybe i am looking in the wrong place! Please direct me where mass killings have occurred with a hammer!
quote=TrainNut quote=Robert G AR-15 rifles when ... (
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Why is it so important that the killings be "mass" killings? Many people are killed every day by different means but the national news only tells you about the "mass" killings because it gets your "feelings" going. All over the U.S. as many children or more are killed by other means but because it is "one at a time" it is not national news.
Reddog wrote:
TrainNut wrote:
Robert G wrote:
AR-15 rifles when properly equipped are more than capable of and are often used in match shooting competitions. It is available in several differant calibers and is an excellant platform for a variety of sporting, hunting, defense, competition and tactical applications. It can easliy and guickly be reconfigured to meet changing conditions and needs. It is a well designed, reliable, accurate and suitable weapon for many uses and unfortunatley much maligned because of the actions of a few psychopaths.
AR-15 rifles when properly equipped are more than ... (
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Yea. It's kinda like banning hammers because people are killed with a hammer. Google "Killed with a hammer" and be surprised.
quote=Robert G AR-15 rifles when properly equippe... (
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Can't find anywhere when someone with a hammer kills 20-30 people, maybe i am looking in the wrong place! Please direct me where mass killings have occurred with a hammer!
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Hey Doc ..... just look in the UK doc, they're there
TrainNut wrote:
Reddog wrote:
TrainNut wrote:
Robert G wrote:
AR-15 rifles when properly equipped are more than capable of and are often used in match shooting competitions. It is available in several differant calibers and is an excellant platform for a variety of sporting, hunting, defense, competition and tactical applications. It can easliy and guickly be reconfigured to meet changing conditions and needs. It is a well designed, reliable, accurate and suitable weapon for many uses and unfortunatley much maligned because of the actions of a few psychopaths.
AR-15 rifles when properly equipped are more than ... (
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Yea. It's kinda like banning hammers because people are killed with a hammer. Google "Killed with a hammer" and be surprised.
quote=Robert G AR-15 rifles when properly equippe... (
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Can't find anywhere when someone with a hammer kills 20-30 people, maybe i am looking in the wrong place! Please direct me where mass killings have occurred with a hammer!
quote=TrainNut quote=Robert G AR-15 rifles when ... (
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Why is it so important that the killings be "mass" killings? Many people are killed every day by different means but the national news only tells you about the "mass" killings because it gets your "feelings" going. All over the U.S. as many children or more are killed by other means but because it is "one at a time" it is not national news.
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Hey Doc ..... that's because it's not in their anti gun agenda, there's no other reason to single out guns .....
..... what we don't hear about is how many crimes are prevented because of guns .....
..... we only hear about the arrests of folks that used guns when they were unjustified, or were questionable .....
Wabbit wrote:
Hey Doc ..... that's because it's not in their anti gun agenda, there's no other reason to single out guns .....
..... what we don't hear about is how many crimes are prevented because of guns .....
..... we only hear about the arrests of folks that used guns when they were unjustified, or were questionable .....
And do you know why, Doc? We don't hear about that because the gun manufacturers lobbied for and got a law that denies federal funding to any institution that studies that question.
Hmmm.....imagine that, Doc. I wonder why they'd want such a law.....hmmmm....
Gnslngr wrote:
Wabbit wrote:
Hey Doc ..... that's because it's not in their anti gun agenda, there's no other reason to single out guns .....
..... what we don't hear about is how many crimes are prevented because of guns .....
..... we only hear about the arrests of folks that used guns when they were unjustified, or were questionable .....
And do you know why, Doc? We don't hear about that because the gun manufacturers lobbied for and got a law that denies federal funding to any institution that studies that question.
Hmmm.....imagine that, Doc. I wonder why they'd want such a law.....hmmmm....
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Hey Doc ..... sounds like a conspiracy to me .....
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