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Jan 5, 2013 16:39:01   #
RMM Loc: Suburban New York
 
Well put, MisterWilson.

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Jan 5, 2013 17:14:57   #
PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas
 
BigGWells wrote:
As a very ameture picture taker, yes, picture taker, not yet ready to call myself a photographer, I find it a bit disconcerning to see some of the pictures that are posted on different sites. By this I mean, they look fake, to much editing has taken place. Now I understand the HDR type, I enjoy seeing some of them, but I feel even those are becoming way over saturated.

The reason for this topic...I viewed a photo taken on the last day of December, dead middle of winter, snow on the ground...and to my surprise, seeing all the lovely green grass.

I do some PP, but very little, I prefer a more natural looking outdoor photo. I understand some of the editing for a portrait, but even those can be over done.

So to my point.....how much PP do you do?

Thanks
As a very ameture picture taker, yes, picture take... (show quote)


I'll Answer you based on the set of portraits for a tax preparation pro on which I am currently working. Here is what I do:

1. Set the file's DPI from 72 to 300.

2. "Stretch" the image of the lady if it does not already fit the frame perfectly.

3. Extract her from the background via Photoshop's "refine edge" tool.

4. Fuse the extracted picture with a compatible background.

5. Adjust lighting with curves or another appropriate tool.

6. Remove all blemishes from her face.

7. Eliminate or remove wrinkles from face and neck.

8. Add vignetting if it enhances the image.

9. Flatten the image into a single layer.

10. Sharpen via high pass method.

11. Save the image as uncompressed JPG.

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Jan 6, 2013 09:53:23   #
Hypno Loc: Miami
 
MisterWilson wrote:
Hypno, thanks for an eye-opening experience. Now I have to put on my sunglasses!

:shock:


If I was taking the picture I would leave one just like yours to remember the scene (nothing beats nature) and play around with the PSE. If I could only have one I would really choose the natural (your version). This was just a little "eye opener."

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Jan 6, 2013 13:51:42   #
marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL
 
BigGWells wrote:
As a very ameture picture taker, yes, picture taker, not yet ready to call myself a photographer, I find it a bit disconcerning to see some of the pictures that are posted on different sites. By this I mean, they look fake, to much editing has taken place. Now I understand the HDR type, I enjoy seeing some of them, but I feel even those are becoming way over saturated.

The reason for this topic...I viewed a photo taken on the last day of December, dead middle of winter, snow on the ground...and to my surprise, seeing all the lovely green grass.

I do some PP, but very little, I prefer a more natural looking outdoor photo. I understand some of the editing for a portrait, but even those can be over done.

So to my point.....how much PP do you do?

Thanks
As a very ameture picture taker, yes, picture take... (show quote)


Enough to make a customer happy. Sharpened for crisp detail impresses most people, slightly boosted contrast, slightly boosted color saturation impresses most people, rosey warm skin but not too much on portraits makes them feel healthier, moles reduced but not eliminated makes a subject feel better about themselves, wrinkles softened but not removed revives a youthful feel in an elderly subject, acne removed completely relieves embarrassment for a teenager, etc.

For personal use I like to dabble with strong HDR efforts but I'm not totally sold on it because in photography I'm not trying to be an artist like a painter. I prefer natural and slightly enhanced much more.

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Jan 6, 2013 14:28:04   #
Jblanke Loc: Metairie, LA
 
Bingo, mdorn.

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Jan 6, 2013 14:35:28   #
Bruce with a Canon Loc: Islip
 
depends.
on photographers taste
on photographers intent

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Jan 6, 2013 15:16:22   #
dooragdragon Loc: Alma , Arkansas
 
if only the photographer took as much time taking the photo as they do spending time to edit , color correct etc is my opinion we would see more realistic photos, i strive for the perfect photo not absolute perfection every time ( hopefully i learn from my mistakes ) at least with digital pictures we are not out the cost of film or processing costs .

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Jan 6, 2013 15:46:40   #
fotkaman Loc: Earth
 
marcomarks wrote:
BigGWells wrote:
As a very ameture picture taker, yes, picture taker, not yet ready to call myself a photographer, I find it a bit disconcerning to see some of the pictures that are posted on different sites. By this I mean, they look fake, to much editing has taken place. Now I understand the HDR type, I enjoy seeing some of them, but I feel even those are becoming way over saturated.

The reason for this topic...I viewed a photo taken on the last day of December, dead middle of winter, snow on the ground...and to my surprise, seeing all the lovely green grass.

I do some PP, but very little, I prefer a more natural looking outdoor photo. I understand some of the editing for a portrait, but even those can be over done.

So to my point.....how much PP do you do?

Thanks
As a very ameture picture taker, yes, picture take... (show quote)


Enough to make a customer happy. Sharpened for crisp detail impresses most people, slightly boosted contrast, slightly boosted color saturation impresses most people, rosey warm skin but not too much on portraits makes them feel healthier, moles reduced but not eliminated makes a subject feel better about themselves, wrinkles softened but not removed revives a youthful feel in an elderly subject, acne removed completely relieves embarrassment for a teenager, etc.

For personal use I like to dabble with strong HDR efforts but I'm not totally sold on it because in photography I'm not trying to be an artist like a painter. I prefer natural and slightly enhanced much more.
quote=BigGWells As a very ameture picture taker, ... (show quote)


:thumbup:

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Jan 6, 2013 17:18:22   #
twitcher32 Loc: North Carolina/Costa Rica
 
so true

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Jan 7, 2013 01:43:01   #
Festina Lente Loc: Florida & Missouri
 
MisterWilson wrote:
I've been very fortunate when it comes my career in the imaging process.

Years ago I used to work in the field of wet chemical based darkroom photography for the graphic arts field as it related to the ultimate finished product of printed material from an ink on paper printing press.

We used all kinds of different equipment, from film cameras, to enlargers, to large, room-sized process cameras. We also used all kinds of filters and screens to give us different effects. I used small 35mm film and I used film as large as 24x36.

Now I apply myself to the magic of digital arts, whether it involves the creation of a life-like realistic image, or an intriguing abstract image. I apply these images to regular photo paper, printer paper, plastic, stone, wood, metal, cloth, and of course, the worldwide web.

I had fun doing things the "old-fashioned" way, and now I'm having even more fun using the power of computers to bring joy and delight into my life and the lives of others.

Technology is a great tool to use in combination with the more creative human brain. I hope each of you find the motivating factors that give you delight in your preferred techniques.
I've been very fortunate when it comes my career i... (show quote)
Good insightful response. Thanks! :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Jan 19, 2013 03:37:39   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
JudyTee23 wrote:
BigGWells wrote:
As a very ameture picture taker, yes, picture taker, not yet ready to call myself a photographer, I find it a bit disconcerning to see some of the pictures that are posted on different sites. By this I mean, they look fake, to much editing has taken place. Now I understand the HDR type, I enjoy seeing some of them, but I feel even those are becoming way over saturated.

The reason for this topic...I viewed a photo taken on the last day of December, dead middle of winter, snow on the ground...and to my surprise, seeing all the lovely green grass.

I do some PP, but very little, I prefer a more natural looking outdoor photo. I understand some of the editing for a portrait, but even those can be over done.

So to my point.....how much PP do you do?

Thanks
As a very ameture picture taker, yes, picture take... (show quote)


Photography is a very egalitarian pursuit. It is open to all at all levels of expertise and all forms of expression. You or I may like or dislike what someone else has produced, and we are entitled to our opinions, but we have absolutely no right of censorship. Everyone should be totally free to express themselves as they wish. I teach art and photography at a small college, so I see lots of work that I dislike. I can offer my opinion, but I will not attempt to censor someone's work.

I agree that some people overuse the various forms of post-processing software. Just because you can does not mean that you should. I have little regard for those "slop-tographers" who believe that "we can fix it in PP." But they have a right to do as they wish. We have to develop a degree of "artistic tolerance."

Now, as to your question - I do as much or as little post-processing as I feel is necessary to produce the final image which matches the initial image I had in my mind. You may disagree, but I believe that all great images begin in the mind.
I definitely try to avoid anything that looks fake or overdone, but I do not feel it is "cheating" to produce a final image which is totally different in appearance from the original scene. That is what artistic freedom is all about.
quote=BigGWells As a very ameture picture taker, ... (show quote)


I agree....I have my preferences (which are similar to JT here) but that's what they are....preferences.

We've all been at the "wow! a new Photoshop filter! Every picture needs THIS on it!" stage and in 5 years I'll look at what I think is good now and laugh....(hopefully)

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Jan 19, 2013 06:54:09   #
bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.
 
i took sme pics the other day,they did not come out as i would have liked.it was tooo cold for a do over so some p.p.saved the day.

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Jan 19, 2013 07:23:25   #
Radioman Loc: Ontario Canada
 
BigGWells wrote:
As a very ameture picture taker, yes, picture taker, not yet ready to call myself a photographer, I find it a bit disconcerning to see some of the pictures that are posted on different sites. By this I mean, they look fake, to much editing has taken place. Now I understand the HDR type, I enjoy seeing some of them, but I feel even those are becoming way over saturated.

The reason for this topic...I viewed a photo taken on the last day of December, dead middle of winter, snow on the ground...and to my surprise, seeing all the lovely green grass.

I do some PP, but very little, I prefer a more natural looking outdoor photo. I understand some of the editing for a portrait, but even those can be over done.

So to my point.....how much PP do you do?

Thanks
As a very ameture picture taker, yes, picture take... (show quote)


*******

Here in Ontario, for the past few weeks we have had some very warm weather. My roses started growing new leaves, the grass started growing, and a friend told me that they had some Crocus poking up out of the ground. Then with a light snowfall, melting the next morning, there was some very green grass where the snow had melted. If I had taken a photograph, it could well have looked like an overdone HDR.

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