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Jan 3, 2013 07:19:38   #
jbslord Loc: Coventry UK
 
My camera store friend steered me away fromnm everything else to the 10-22 lense for my canons. I've never regrettted it. And he didn't sell me the lense either.

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Jan 3, 2013 07:43:07   #
shagbat Loc: London
 
ooh jb, i don't believe in camera store friends.
Salesmen work in photo shops, photographers take pictures.
The people on this site are far more knowledgeable, just look at Nikonian.

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Jan 3, 2013 08:13:25   #
Curtis_Lowe Loc: Georgia
 
Denisedancer wrote:
Curtis_Lowe wrote:
Festina Lente wrote:
Denisedancer wrote:
I have a Canon 600D with a Canon 18-200mm lens. I am thinking of buying a Sigma 10-20mm lens for wide angle photography.

Two questions that I hope someone can help me with -

1. Can anyone advise if I will achieve a lot of difference between the 10mm and 18mm of these two lenses. In other words is it worth my buying the 10-20mm lens?

2. If I go ahead and buy the 10-20mm lens, is it worth paying the extra money to get the f3.5 or is the f4.5 sufficient for most occasions?

I'm doing a tour in May from Denver to Las Vegas via pretty much all of the National Parks enroute. I would really appreciate any advice on whether it would be worthwhile me buying the 10-20mm lens considering that I have the 18-200mm.

Many thanks in anticipation. If anyone had two photos of the same location showing the difference between the 10mm and 20mm that would be absolutely fantastic.
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Good questions. Hard answers.

I can tell you what I prefer and why..

For landscape I'd get a prime lens, but the 10-20mm would be fine. And again, for landscape (assuming 95% shot from a good tripod) the f/4.5 would be fine (longer exposures).

But if I also want to use this lens for interior shots, street shots, and other uses, well, then the 10-20mm would be more flexible and the faster f/3.5 is a must have.

My suiggestion is to go to a camera store that carries these lenses and test them out on your 600D while talking to more than one sales person. Only then will you know what you are buying and why it was the best decision for you.

No good camera shop nearby - I'd take a nice relaxing road trip with the shop as just one stop while you shoot whatever looks interesting along the way.
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Great advise!

Last April I took a Canon 60D & EF 17-40 f4 to the Grand Canyon and was pleased. Got the lens for the trip {once in a lifetime trip}. Just got a 6D and mounted the lens and was shocked at the difference going from Cropped to FF.

I would advise anyone buying a new lens to consider if they might ever want to go to a FF and by an EF in lieu of an EF-S mount.

I always like the try it advise when spending big$.
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Curtis Lowe thanks for your advice. I'm not sure what all the initials mean - is FF full frame? I haven't got my head around that yet. I seriously doubt I shall upgrade my camera for many years to come. Although I love photography, I am not terribly good at it. I don't know what the EF and EF-S lens mounts mean either. I shall take the advice to head to the Camera store to try and check out the two lenses. A friend who is rather more experienced in photography than me, says there wouldn't be much difference between the 10-20 and my 18-200 lens so I shouldn't bother buying the 10-20? Since I'm doing this big trip in May I'm keen to see if it is worth buying the 10-20. Some of the NP's I'm visiting are Canyonlands, Mesa Verdi, Arches, Sion, Bryce, Grand Canyon. Cannot wait.
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I have only recently visited the Grand Canyon NP. Wonderfull experience.

The FF is indeed for Full Frame. Full Frame Canon will not take {fit} a EF-S {it is in the lens name} mount lens only EF mount lens. The Crop Sensor Canons like your 600D, or the 7D & 60D will take either EF-S or EF mount lens.

I know it can be confusing but the view point of the same lens on a FF is MUCH wider than the same lens on a crop sensor body.

As you can see here many Landscape shooters are very much in favor of the 10-20 Sigma lens, just to be clear the view or perspective would be wider still on a FF.

Good luck and I truly do wish I had all those NP on my agenda within the next 6 months, you will have to post some of your shots!

Look up Antilope Canyon, it is not too far from the South Rim of the Grand Canyon, took a day trip there and WOW!

Needs PP but wide end of 17-40 on 60D
Needs PP but wide end of 17-40 on 60D...

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Jan 3, 2013 09:55:07   #
rick Loc: Cape Cod, MA
 
All of the lenses mentioned here are good lenses but I am surprised I have not seen the Tokina 11-16 f2.8 mentioned here in any of the responses? Granted you are losing on the wide end, and that 10-11 range is not as insignificant as you might think, and you lose a bit of overlap from 16-18, but there are a lot of other advantages with this lens.

The Nikon lens is certainly the best quality, and also the most expensive at ~$850 new. If you have that kind of cash go for it and you cannot miss.

For my money I'd look at the Tokina. I bought a brand new Tokina a couple years ago for $450.00. Of the others mentioned here it has better optical performance on the bench, is faster focusing, and is a better build lens than the others (now if that does not start a firestorm...) I have not done the work to personally prove this out but others have. I do shoot with it a lot and have found all of the claimed advantages. All I will say is check out some of the online reviews for this lens. This faster lens, at f2.8 throughout the focal range, although not as critical for landscape, expands the lens functionality and you may find yourself using it more often than you would think. I also have the Nikon 18-200 but find myself going to the Tokina quite often.

I would consider at least giving this lens a look before you make your decision, and best of luck in that regard.

Rick

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Jan 3, 2013 11:36:20   #
rick Loc: Cape Cod, MA
 
Doh, after posting this I recalled you were shooting a Canon so the Nikon lens is a don't-care for you. But all that I said about the Tokina 11-16 vs. the others is appropriate.

Rick

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Jan 3, 2013 12:10:52   #
CAM1017 Loc: Chiloquin, Oregon
 
Denisedancer wrote:
I have a Canon 600D with a Canon 18-200mm lens. I am thinking of buying a Sigma 10-20mm lens for wide angle photography.

Two questions that I hope someone can help me with -

1. Can anyone advise if I will achieve a lot of difference between the 10mm and 18mm of these two lenses. In other words is it worth my buying the 10-20mm lens?

2. If I go ahead and buy the 10-20mm lens, is it worth paying the extra money to get the f3.5 or is the f4.5 sufficient for most occasions?

I'm doing a tour in May from Denver to Las Vegas via pretty much all of the National Parks enroute. I would really appreciate any advice on whether it would be worthwhile me buying the 10-20mm lens considering that I have the 18-200mm.

Many thanks in anticipation. If anyone had two photos of the same location showing the difference between the 10mm and 20mm that would be absolutely fantastic.
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I use a Canon 60D with both the 18-200 and the Canon 10-22. I really don't use the 10-22mm lens very much. When I want something wider in view then the 18-200 will give me I prefere to do a multiple exposure panorama shot. The reason being that in scenery I don't want to have the wide angle effect in the vertical plane but in the horizontal plane. The 18mm setting on the 18-200mm on single shots works well indoor for groups shots and most scenery. Not even sure when I last used the 10-22mm lens

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Jan 3, 2013 12:54:32   #
bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.
 
depending on the circumstances, many of my lenses will do well for landscaping.

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Jan 3, 2013 12:55:38   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
Everyone is touting wide angle lenses in this thread. While they are good for scenic vistas, not all landscape images are that.You would be well advised to have other lenses with you to accommodate different scenarios. A 70-200 or similar would be another lens to take with you. When I went to Denver, I tried to cover as wide a focal length range as possible & wound up using every lens I took...

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Jan 3, 2013 17:09:50   #
Denisedancer Loc: Sydney Australia
 
shagbat wrote:
Nikon 10-24mm is a clear winner.

Sharpness is excellent even at the largest aperture, and images have bags of contrast, even when lighting conditions are flat and gloomy. The ring-type AF-S autofocus system is superbly fast, practically inaudible in operation and comes complete with full-time manual focus override.

Build quality is a good match for Nikon's top APS-C cameras, such as the D7000 and D300s, yet the lens still feels well balanced on lightweight bodies such as the D3100.

The only sticking point with the Nikon is that it's by far the most expensive lens in the group. For a more modest outlay, both Sigma 10-20mm lenses offer advanced features, but the older Sigma 10-20mm f/4-5.6 version is particularly good value.

The Tamron 10-24mm is the cheapest zoom lens in the group, but suffered from exposure inconsistencies in our tests and lacks the Sigma lenses' ring-type ultrasonic autofocus.

For maximum wide-angle coverage, the Sigma 8-16mm is a tempting proposition, but image quality isn't quite as good as with the two Sigma 10-20mm lenses. Another alternative is the Tokina 10-17mm fisheye lens, which gives the widest angle of view in the group.

But the fisheye effect is more of an oddity than something that will appeal on a regular basis. At the other end of the scale, the angle of view offered by the Samyang 14mm and Tokina 12-24mm lenses are disappointing, and the Samyang's distortion is pronounced, especially given that it's a prime lens rather than a zoom.

Best ultra wide-angle lens for Nikons

If you've got a bigger budget, the Nikon 10-24mm f/3.5-4.5G AF-S DX ED can't be beaten in terms of image quality.


GO BUY IT LADY!
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Thanks for the info but I have a Canon Camera.

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Jan 3, 2013 17:15:35   #
Denisedancer Loc: Sydney Australia
 
lighthouse wrote:
I would strongly advise that there is a significant difference between 18mm and 10mm.
I think your friend is wrong.
I am primarily a landscape and seascape photographer.
If I had your camera and I could only choose 1 lens for landscape photography it would be either the 10-22mm Canon or the Sigma 10-20mm F/4.5-5.6.
I own this Sigma lens and use it on my Nikon D90. I already had the Nikon 18-200mm VRii.

The Sigma 10-20mm revitalised my photography. It is a brilliant landscape lens.
I wouldn't worry about paying the extra for the F/3.5.
You will take 99% of your shots at F/8 to F/22.

That is what these ultrawides are about - front to back sharpness and a strong foreground.
With this lens on your camera you can be in focus from 5 inches to infinity - so get low and close to a flower or a rock and put the Grand Canyon or a group of mesa behind it.
The slot canyons will love it.
With good light you will take the best pics you have ever taken.
It will blow the 18-200mm out of the water!!
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Thank you Lighthouse this is exactly the information I was looking for. I didn't realise about the extra depth of field. The tour I am doing actually overnights within all the National Parks so I'm hoping to be able to get some sunrise and sunset shots. I will go ahead and buy the Sigma 10-20 f4 lens. Many thanks.

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Jan 3, 2013 17:30:10   #
Denisedancer Loc: Sydney Australia
 
Many thanks to everyone here for their information and time, it is very much appreciated. I've decided to buy the 10-20mm f4. I will take that along with my 18-200mm lens on my trip.

I love UHH, I am learning so much from all the discussion posts. It's just great. Thank you everyone.

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Jan 3, 2013 17:39:13   #
Curtis_Lowe Loc: Georgia
 
Denisedancer wrote:
Many thanks to everyone here for their information and time, it is very much appreciated. I've decided to buy the 10-20mm f4. I will take that along with my 18-200mm lens on my trip.

I love UHH, I am learning so much from all the discussion posts. It's just great. Thank you everyone.


You must promise to post some of your photos!

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Jan 3, 2013 17:51:33   #
pigpen
 
Look into the Rokinon 8mm fisheye. Yes, there is distortion, but that can be fixed in post. I happen to like the distortion. The lens is fully manual. Landscapes are one of the subjects where "manual" doesn't hurt to bad, because nothing is moving. You can take your time. However, if you set theis lens to f/8 - f/11, and set the focus ring to just under 10ft, everything from 10 ft to infinity will be sharp. This lens is only $280. To my surprise, it is very sharp from f/5.6 on. I bought it as a "toy" to play with. I have actually sold prints taken with it. It has paid for itself many times over. Here is an example, I was practically standing on top of this thing.



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Jan 3, 2013 18:06:48   #
Denisedancer Loc: Sydney Australia
 
pigpen wrote:
Look into the Rokinon 8mm fisheye. Yes, there is distortion, but that can be fixed in post. I happen to like the distortion. The lens is fully manual. Landscapes are one of the subjects where "manual" doesn't hurt to bad, because nothing is moving. You can take your time. However, if you set theis lens to f/8 - f/11, and set the focus ring to just under 10ft, everything from 10 ft to infinity will be sharp. This lens is only $280. To my surprise, it is very sharp from f/5.6 on. I bought it as a "toy" to play with. I have actually sold prints taken with it. It has paid for itself many times over. Here is an example, I was practically standing on top of this thing.
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Thanks Pigpen I like your photo, and like the fish-eye effect but I would consider that a bit of a luxury lens at the moment. I'm also rather an amateur when it comes to post production work. Have only managed the very basics of Lightroom so far, I have a lot to learn and not as much time to do so as I would like.

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Jan 3, 2013 19:14:18   #
Kestrel1029 Loc: Philadelphia, PA
 
Denisedancer wrote:
I have a Canon 600D with a Canon 18-200mm lens. I am thinking of buying a Sigma 10-20mm lens for wide angle photography.

Two questions that I hope someone can help me with -

1. Can anyone advise if I will achieve a lot of difference between the 10mm and 18mm of these two lenses. In other words is it worth my buying the 10-20mm lens?

2. If I go ahead and buy the 10-20mm lens, is it worth paying the extra money to get the f3.5 or is the f4.5 sufficient for most occasions?

I'm doing a tour in May from Denver to Las Vegas via pretty much all of the National Parks enroute. I would really appreciate any advice on whether it would be worthwhile me buying the 10-20mm lens considering that I have the 18-200mm.

Many thanks in anticipation. If anyone had two photos of the same location showing the difference between the 10mm and 20mm that would be absolutely fantastic.
I have a Canon 600D with a Canon 18-200mm lens. I ... (show quote)


What is your budget? If you are afraid of lens overlap you could always get the Sigma 8-16mm wide angle lens. Of course it is more money. But the examples I have seen from it are very nice.

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