planepics
Loc: St. Louis burbs, but originally Chicago burbs
During a recent EAA Ford Trimotor event at my airport, I attempted my first HDR shot, but not having a tripod, they don't quite match and I can't get a cohesive picture using Picasa; it just ends up like a ghost. Is it even possible to get these pics to line up or should I just scrap the images?
jonsund
Loc: Currently: Florida, USA
There isn't a sufficient range of light to make HDR desirable in this case. The second image is extremely soft and would cause major problems. You want to use a fixed aperture and very your shutter speed or ISO to maintain a constant depth of field.
I hand hold a lot of shots and the software normally takes care of slight movement when shooting fairly wide angled like this image. Have you tried Photomatix Pro you can get a trial version to play with.
If you want to see what HDR will do for you capture an image of the cockpit shooting through a side window looking forward. The goal is to see the control panel clearly and what the pilot would see through the windshield. The end result should be as the eye sees it not as the camera sees it with a single image. (usually under exposed panel so you do not blow out the image through the windshield or correctly exposed panel and blown out exterior.)
planepics
Loc: St. Louis burbs, but originally Chicago burbs
jonsund wrote:
There isn't a sufficient range of light to make HDR desirable in this case. The second image is extremely soft and would cause major problems. You want to use a fixed aperture and very your shutter speed or ISO to maintain a constant depth of field.
I hand hold a lot of shots and the software normally takes care of slight movement when shooting fairly wide angled like this image. Have you tried Photomatix Pro you can get a trial version to play with.
If you want to see what HDR will do for you capture an image of the cockpit shooting through a side window looking forward. The goal is to see the control panel clearly and what the pilot would see through the windshield. The end result should be as the eye sees it not as the camera sees it with a single image. (usually under exposed panel so you do not blow out the image through the windshield or correctly exposed panel and blown out exterior.)
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I don't know what I did wrong. I just looked up the specs. The camera was in aperture priority mode ( I think I used the bracketing setting in the menu options) but it stayed at f4.5 and the shutter speeds were 1/320 sec, 1/500 sec and 1/1250 sec. It was shot in RAW and the metering was set to matrix. Doesn't make much sense to me. Is GIMP any good (the problem with free trials is that they cease to become free at some point)?
jonsund wrote:
There isn't a sufficient range of light to make HDR desirable in this case. The second image is extremely soft and would cause major problems. You want to use a fixed aperture and very your shutter speed or ISO to maintain a constant depth of field.
I hand hold a lot of shots and the software normally takes care of slight movement when shooting fairly wide angled like this image. Have you tried Photomatix Pro you can get a trial version to play with.
If you want to see what HDR will do for you capture an image of the cockpit shooting through a side window looking forward. The goal is to see the control panel clearly and what the pilot would see through the windshield. The end result should be as the eye sees it not as the camera sees it with a single image. (usually under exposed panel so you do not blow out the image through the windshield or correctly exposed panel and blown out exterior.)
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My feelings to. It seems if it aint HDR it aint a good photograph. To me HDR was invented to allow us to retain detail from the brightest highlights to the densist shadows.
In "Film" photography the masters adjusted exposure and development to ensure the greatest possible range of tones.
Probably a good shot as a single exposure.
Ian
planepics
Loc: St. Louis burbs, but originally Chicago burbs
ianhargraves1066 wrote:
jonsund wrote:
There isn't a sufficient range of light to make HDR desirable in this case. The second image is extremely soft and would cause major problems. You want to use a fixed aperture and very your shutter speed or ISO to maintain a constant depth of field.
I hand hold a lot of shots and the software normally takes care of slight movement when shooting fairly wide angled like this image. Have you tried Photomatix Pro you can get a trial version to play with.
If you want to see what HDR will do for you capture an image of the cockpit shooting through a side window looking forward. The goal is to see the control panel clearly and what the pilot would see through the windshield. The end result should be as the eye sees it not as the camera sees it with a single image. (usually under exposed panel so you do not blow out the image through the windshield or correctly exposed panel and blown out exterior.)
There isn't a sufficient range of light to make HD... (
show quote)
My feelings to. It seems if it aint HDR it aint a good photograph. To me HDR was invented to allow us to retain detail from the brightest highlights to the densist shadows.
In "Film" photography the masters adjusted exposure and development to ensure the greatest possible range of tones.
Probably a good shot as a single exposure.
Ian
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I'm going to ask for some photography books or cd-roms for Christmas relating specifically to my Sony A330 DSLR. Who's the best author/publisher?
Hope you don't mind but I ran these thru photomatrix just to see how they would come out & did a light HDR. Looks like they lined up pretty well. Deleted what I worked with. Thought this might give you some kind of ideal to think on.
jonsund
Loc: Currently: Florida, USA
planepics wrote:
jonsund wrote:
There isn't a sufficient range of light to make HDR desirable in this case. The second image is extremely soft and would cause major problems. You want to use a fixed aperture and very your shutter speed or ISO to maintain a constant depth of field.
I hand hold a lot of shots and the software normally takes care of slight movement when shooting fairly wide angled like this image. Have you tried Photomatix Pro you can get a trial version to play with.
If you want to see what HDR will do for you capture an image of the cockpit shooting through a side window looking forward. The goal is to see the control panel clearly and what the pilot would see through the windshield. The end result should be as the eye sees it not as the camera sees it with a single image. (usually under exposed panel so you do not blow out the image through the windshield or correctly exposed panel and blown out exterior.)
There isn't a sufficient range of light to make HD... (
show quote)
I don't know what I did wrong. I just looked up the specs. The camera was in aperture priority mode ( I think I used the bracketing setting in the menu options) but it stayed at f4.5 and the shutter speeds were 1/320 sec, 1/500 sec and 1/1250 sec. It was shot in RAW and the metering was set to matrix. Doesn't make much sense to me. Is GIMP any good (the problem with free trials is that they cease to become free at some point)?
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Based on the additional info I would say there is a chance that your autofocus got you. If you are shooting a still shot, hand held, using auto bracketing you might want to focus then set the camera to manual focus and then shoot your bracket.
planepics
Loc: St. Louis burbs, but originally Chicago burbs
Pentax-K10D wrote:
Hope you don't mind but I ran these thru photomatrix just to see how they would come out & did a light HDR. Looks like they lined up pretty well. Deleted what I worked with. Thought this might give you some kind of ideal to think on.
Thanks for merging the pics for me. I was hoping someone would do it. I downloaded it and blew it up a bit to look around. It wasn't what I expected it to look like...almost abstract. Maybe I'll wait until I get some books/videos/classroom training before trying it again.
planepics
Loc: St. Louis burbs, but originally Chicago burbs
jonsund wrote:
There isn't a sufficient range of light to make HDR desirable in this case. The second image is extremely soft and would cause major problems. You want to use a fixed aperture and very your shutter speed or ISO to maintain a constant depth of field.
I hand hold a lot of shots and the software normally takes care of slight movement when shooting fairly wide angled like this image. Have you tried Photomatix Pro you can get a trial version to play with.
If you want to see what HDR will do for you capture an image of the cockpit shooting through a side window looking forward. The goal is to see the control panel clearly and what the pilot would see through the windshield. The end result should be as the eye sees it not as the camera sees it with a single image. (usually under exposed panel so you do not blow out the image through the windshield or correctly exposed panel and blown out exterior.)
There isn't a sufficient range of light to make HD... (
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Any way you could please send me an example of one such a properly done HDR pic would look like?
I'm not experienced at HDR but here's my attempt.
with blue photo filter
planepics wrote:
ianhargraves1066 wrote:
jonsund wrote:
There isn't a sufficient range of light to make HDR desirable in this case. The second image is extremely soft and would cause major problems. You want to use a fixed aperture and very your shutter speed or ISO to maintain a constant depth of field.
I hand hold a lot of shots and the software normally takes care of slight movement when shooting fairly wide angled like this image. Have you tried Photomatix Pro you can get a trial version to play with.
If you want to see what HDR will do for you capture an image of the cockpit shooting through a side window looking forward. The goal is to see the control panel clearly and what the pilot would see through the windshield. The end result should be as the eye sees it not as the camera sees it with a single image. (usually under exposed panel so you do not blow out the image through the windshield or correctly exposed panel and blown out exterior.)
There isn't a sufficient range of light to make HD... (
show quote)
My feelings to. It seems if it aint HDR it aint a good photograph. To me HDR was invented to allow us to retain detail from the brightest highlights to the densist shadows.
In "Film" photography the masters adjusted exposure and development to ensure the greatest possible range of tones.
Probably a good shot as a single exposure.
Ian
quote=jonsund There isn't a sufficient range of l... (
show quote)
I'm going to ask for some photography books or cd-roms for Christmas relating specifically to my Sony A330 DSLR. Who's the best author/publisher?
quote=ianhargraves1066 quote=jonsund There isn't... (
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Go for quality
www.clydebutcher.com his books will give you all the inspration and aspiration any photographer needs,
Probably the best lanscape photographer since Ansel Adams.
Ian
planepics
Loc: St. Louis burbs, but originally Chicago burbs
ianhargraves1066 wrote:
planepics wrote:
ianhargraves1066 wrote:
jonsund wrote:
There isn't a sufficient range of light to make HDR desirable in this case. The second image is extremely soft and would cause major problems. You want to use a fixed aperture and very your shutter speed or ISO to maintain a constant depth of field.
I hand hold a lot of shots and the software normally takes care of slight movement when shooting fairly wide angled like this image. Have you tried Photomatix Pro you can get a trial version to play with.
If you want to see what HDR will do for you capture an image of the cockpit shooting through a side window looking forward. The goal is to see the control panel clearly and what the pilot would see through the windshield. The end result should be as the eye sees it not as the camera sees it with a single image. (usually under exposed panel so you do not blow out the image through the windshield or correctly exposed panel and blown out exterior.)
There isn't a sufficient range of light to make HD... (
show quote)
My feelings to. It seems if it aint HDR it aint a good photograph. To me HDR was invented to allow us to retain detail from the brightest highlights to the densist shadows.
In "Film" photography the masters adjusted exposure and development to ensure the greatest possible range of tones.
Probably a good shot as a single exposure.
Ian
quote=jonsund There isn't a sufficient range of l... (
show quote)
I'm going to ask for some photography books or cd-roms for Christmas relating specifically to my Sony A330 DSLR. Who's the best author/publisher?
quote=ianhargraves1066 quote=jonsund There isn't... (
show quote)
Go for quality
www.clydebutcher.com his books will give you all the inspration and aspiration any photographer needs,
Probably the best lanscape photographer since Ansel Adams.
Ian
quote=planepics quote=ianhargraves1066 quote=jo... (
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Thanks for the suggestion. I looked him up on the net, but what I really need instead of a coffee table book, is a good instructional manual on how to utilize the features of my specific camera (Sony A330)...although a picture book probably would inspire me if it didn't overwhelm me first (could a mere human take such pictures?) The Barnes and Noble people suggested David Taylor or David Busch. Any thoughts on either or neither?
jonsund
Loc: Currently: Florida, USA
planepics wrote:
jonsund wrote:
There isn't a sufficient range of light to make HDR desirable in this case. The second image is extremely soft and would cause major problems. You want to use a fixed aperture and very your shutter speed or ISO to maintain a constant depth of field.
I hand hold a lot of shots and the software normally takes care of slight movement when shooting fairly wide angled like this image. Have you tried Photomatix Pro you can get a trial version to play with.
If you want to see what HDR will do for you capture an image of the cockpit shooting through a side window looking forward. The goal is to see the control panel clearly and what the pilot would see through the windshield. The end result should be as the eye sees it not as the camera sees it with a single image. (usually under exposed panel so you do not blow out the image through the windshield or correctly exposed panel and blown out exterior.)
There isn't a sufficient range of light to make HD... (
show quote)
Any way you could please send me an example of one such a properly done HDR pic would look like?
quote=jonsund There isn't a sufficient range of l... (
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Sorry to be so late getting back to you, I was separated from my image collection and had to wait.
I have attached three images that I used to create an HDR Image that I like. It was taken at a train station near London. On the left side of the image it is very dark and I wanted to capture the detail of that area. The center of the image contains a tunnel and wanted to see what was at the other end and not just a bright area, and the right side of the image is bright and easily over exposed. This I think is a good example of what you need to use HDR to capture what your eye see.
I will attempt to attach the final image but it is number 4 and I have to post this first.
Under exposed
Correct exposure
Over exposed
Final HDR image
jonsund
Loc: Currently: Florida, USA
They are all my images and were placed in the thread because an example was requested.
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