terryMc
Loc: Arizona's White Mountains
JD750 wrote:
people will always take pictures of family and friends, and at weddings and events. For some of us Photographs store memories.
Advertising and marketing, making movies, is about making money and photography costs money. If AI technology is able to provide the same product at a lower cost you can expect AI will displace photography and become common in those areas.
There can be no argument that commercial advertising will use the cheapest, fastest method to achieve its goal, even if that means eliminating people (real people) entirely.
I have my doubts about movies, though, since using AI animation for an entire documentary, dramatic, or comedic movie without any real people might not sell too well. Even the Marvel Universe still requires some real people to blend into the explosions and come out the other side. There is already very little reason to have actual people in this type of movie, but I can't see humans being completely replaced any time soon.
I think there will still be a place for wedding, portrait, and senior photography, documenting news, sending images from space, broadcasting and recording important events, speeches and what have you, personal memorabilia and many other uses that will always require a device to record an actual event.
If you are in certain lines of work, you may have to worry about your job in the future, but cameras in general are going to be around for a long, long time. You'll still want that picture of you at the Grand Canyon.
Artcameraman wrote:
It's time,
”It's Time For us to do What We Have Been Doing. And that Time is Every Day!”
- Kamala Harris
terryMc wrote:
I have my doubts about movies, though, since using AI animation for an entire documentary, dramatic, or comedic movie without any real people might not sell too well.
I think we are in violent agreement! lol.
Regarding movies, a big issue in the most recent strike was how production companies and producers use AI to recreate images of actors/actresses and recreate their voices. It’s reality now not in the future.
terryMc wrote:
Yes, people do photograms every day, therefore Images created by computers from text prompts are the same.
Not at all. Not even close. And I would conjecture that calling a phonogram a photograph is a pretty loose interpretation. But at least photograms are created through an actual photographic process.
SuperflyTNT wrote:
Not at all. Not even close. And I would conjecture that calling a phonogram a photograph is a pretty loose interpretation. But at least photograms are created through an actual photographic process.
Back in the darkroom days, making photograms was more common and every time someone tried to define a photograph as the product of a camera someone would bring up photograms.
JohnSwanda wrote:
Back in the darkroom days, making photograms was more common and every time someone tried to define a photograph as the product of a camera someone would bring up photograms.
This topic is about how UHH should handle images partially or fully created by AI. In the context of that discussion it suffices to say that a photograph is an image created by a camera.
(How many photograms have been posted on UHH?)
I'm not sure that they are the ultimate authority on the question. More like a clever title for their show. Isn't a "photographic image" a photograph? They don't give their definition of photograph which excludes photograms. I would favor a definition inclusive enough to include them.
JohnSwanda wrote:
I'm not sure that they are the ultimate authority on the question. More like a clever title for their show. Isn't a "photographic image" a photograph? They don't give their definition of photograph which excludes photograms. I would favor a definition inclusive enough to include them.
It has a name. That name is not photograph. It’s called a photogram because it’s not a photograph.
terryMc wrote:
There can be no argument that commercial advertising will use the cheapest, fastest method to achieve its goal, even if that means eliminating people (real people) entirely.
I have my doubts about movies, though, since using AI animation for an entire documentary, dramatic, or comedic movie without any real people might not sell too well. Even the Marvel Universe still requires some real people to blend into the explosions and come out the other side. There is already very little reason to have actual people in this type of movie, but I can't see humans being completely replaced any time soon.
I think there will still be a place for wedding, portrait, and senior photography, documenting news, sending images from space, broadcasting and recording important events, speeches and what have you, personal memorabilia and many other uses that will always require a device to record an actual event.
If you are in certain lines of work, you may have to worry about your job in the future, but cameras in general are going to be around for a long, long time. You'll still want that picture of you at the Grand Canyon.
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I just saw an F-14 Tomcat in a photo of Custer's last Stand but the Sue had a Tripple A Battery and drove it off.
AI is a replacement technology that will have far reaching consequences for the camera industry and photographers.
Do we as individuals want to take our own photos or do we want instead to generate images by feeding instructions into an AI image generator? AI is not going to provide a substitute for hunting down photo ops, getting busy with our own cameras and making our own images. However, commercial photography is probably going to be another matter.
Curmudgeon wrote:
As we know Adobe has been integrating more and more AI features into Photoshop generative fill and has upgraded Firefly, its AI generating program, to Version 3. In the latest release of Photoshop beta it is now possible to generate a multiple layer composite image using only verbal commands. Generative Fill and Generative Expand, both AI functions, allow us to add AI images to photographs easily and Generative Expand allows us to expand the borders of a photograph with the push of a button.
Topaz Labs Gigapixel AI, DeNoise AI, Sharpen AI and Photo AI use Artificial Intelligence to correct our photographic mistakes. These have become accepted Post Processing steps and are no longer mentioned in photo descriptions yet are truly AI modified images by definition.
Ugly Hedgehog has guidelines on how and where AI and AI/photograph hybrid images may be posted. I believe it is time to revisit these guidelines. With few exceptions most of us use AI to one degree or another in Post Processing. I believe it is time to allow AI generated images to be posted in any Forum as long they are identified as such.
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I agree and have wondered if a rating system such as that used for movies could be developed. Another idea is to develop software that looks at an image and identifies how much AI was used before being posted. Maybe also identifies what AI was used for. Just thoughts.
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