btbg

I did not say that you supported the attack by Hamas. I asked what Israel should do. Your response is absolutely ludicrous.

How would surrendering the West Bank get the hostages back from Hamas, they aren't in the West Bank. You are seriously nuts. The only reason any women and children are dying is because of the actions their government took and the fact that Hamas hides in the middle of women and children so the only way to get to them is to have some civilian casualties.

Since when does giving something away stop terrorists. All they understand is force. That's like telling a thief that since they stole your microwave you are going to give them your range and stove too so that they will give you the microwave back. Besides, the only reason there are any Israeli settlements in the West Bank is because they attacked Israel in the past.

You will notice that even though the hostages were initially being held in the north they are no longer there. Hamas moved them along with the civilians. The blame for all of this falls on Hamas. But, the biggest thing that you don't seem to recognize is that more than 70 percent of the Palestinians voted for Hamas, and according to poles from inside Palestine more than 75 percent say that they still support Hamas and that they will not condemn the Hamas attack on Israel. That makes the "civilians" part of the problem. If they don't want to risk dying then they should quit supporting Hamas and tell Israel where the hostages are being held and the war would quickly end.

Also, why would you believe anything that the Palestinians are telling you about the number of deaths. They have already been proven to be liars when they claimed that Israel bombed the hospital that they hit with their own rocket. Appeasing terrorists has never worked, so if that's your plan Israel might as well cease to exist as a nation, because they can not survive if they make that kind of decision.

Bob Smith Loc: Banjarmasin

Texcaster Loc: Queensland

btbg sez ... "I did not say that you supported the attack by Hamas. I asked what Israel should do. Your response is absolutely ludicrous."

" ... absolutely ludicrous.". Of course it is ... now ... but this current strife didn't happen in a vacuum. It's the product generations of increasing marginalization and dispossession of Palestinians. Those are the facts. And now the Zionists have *out-barbarianed the barbarians.

* in Israel's name.

btbg

Who exactly has dispossessed the Palestinians. Prior to Israel they did not belong to any country either and when Israel was formed they were offered a place in Jordan and they turned it down. You are looking at revisionist history, but even if you really want to believe that is the truth it still won't get the Israeli hostages back or stop Hamas by appeasing them by withdrawing from the West Bank. Perhaps you need to look at a map. Hamas is not in the West Bank. The fact is that Hamas is terrorists and in order to have a secure nation Israel must get rid of terrorists. Why do you choose to ignore those facts?

Texcaster Loc: Queensland

Blah, blah, blah ad infinitum ... take it to the rest of the world.

Triple G

Is it even possible to get rid of all terrorists? We spoke too soon about ISIS being eradicated

btbg

I don' t know the answer to that for sure. Probably not, but as kong as the terrorists still have hostages you can't just stop and let them get away with it. It would only encourage them to continue the attacks necause they would know tjey could get away with it.

btbg

By the way, are you even aware that the Palestinians were allies of Nazi Germany and up until Yasser Arafat died they were still being led by Nazi trained individuals? Here is something that everyone should know about the Palestinians, but for whatever reason it is not commonly taught.

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/%E2%80%8Bthe-nazi-roots-of-palestinian-nationalism/

Texcaster Loc: Queensland

And? Half of the GOPers back then were Hitler friendly, useful stooges. Sort of like the present day Putin friendly Q/MAGAs stooges. "Let Putin have Ukraine. What's the big deal? Don't cram NATO down his throat" Elected MAGAS and Trump.

SteveR Loc: Michigan

Jesus called Hell a furnace. John called it a Lake of Fire. So, which is it, or is it a metaphor for the burning of the soul for living in eternity apart from God after standing before him in Judgment?

That, srg, is my view of Hell. God is not stoke fires for eternity for torture those in Hell. Revelation DOE teach us, however, that the unsaved WILL, in the end, be judged according to their works. That is not to be confused with salvation.

srg

A wise man once said that if you hate something very much, and dwell on it constantly, you will eventually become that which you hate.

srg

The term "false flag" comes to mind here.

srg

You mean to tell me that those evil, uncontaminated by civilization, tribes in the Amazon have no chance at claiming any grace from the allmighty?

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

BS, the Palestinians will never stop seeking the destruction of Israel, and if you consider the atrocities committed on 10/7 and then consider the celebrations in Gaza as Hamas dragged the naked and mutilated bodies of young women in the streets..... If you understand that the Palestinians start teaching their children at a very young age to kill Israelis, teaching mathematics to grade school children by counting dead jews....

Well, we hear a lot of "From the River to the Sea" a call for the genocide of the Jewish people.... Well if there is to be a genocide I say wipeout the terrorist state and let the Israelis live in peace.

Triple G

It's difficult to claim a higher moral calling when both parties have been victims of expulsion and targeted for eradication. Both groups value a homeland more than anything else. Until each has their defined legal space, there will be war. When part of the lands in question have significant religious meaning for Jews, Muslims, and Christians, it's not likely there will ever be peace. Maybe a cautious detente. Hamas and other terrorists take full advantage of the already hot spots around the world and turn up the heat whenever they want.

Each has a moral right, but are ready to make a deal with the devil to keep it.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/13/israel-palestine-racism-antisemitism