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Apr 22, 2024 15:01:49   #
joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
 
texasdigital wrote:
I recently took a photograph of a rattlesnake that snuck into my backyard. I used a Nikon 50mm 1.4 lens. My wife scolded me, saying I should have used a telephoto lens. Should I have used my 2x teleconverter? Do you think the quality would have suffered?

By the way, I'm currently in the hospital, so if I don't answer for a while, don't get concerned.


Superlative 👑👑👑👑

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Apr 22, 2024 15:03:18   #
texasdigital Loc: Conroe, Texas
 
Sinewsworn wrote:
Close enough for gov't work! I enjoy, means have fun with photography. I enjoy the out of doors and bird photography offers that for me in spades.


I have seen photographs in NatGeo that technically were lacking in quality. However, the choice was to have a photograph that was not perfect or to not have one at all. Sometimes, it is the impact of the photograph that matters, not the quality.

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Apr 22, 2024 15:04:23   #
btbg
 
texasdigital wrote:
First, he stated that he did not post in the bird section because he wanted a wider view of his post.
Second, you are correct; however, with new AI software, he can recover some of the lost sharpness
Third, I've never seen a recommendation to combine teleconverters, so I agree with you.
Fourth, Since he already owns a costly 400mm 2.8 lens, purchasing a 600mm f4 at $13,000 seems a bit outrageous since it appears he is not a professional selling his work. Many people use teleconverters but accept that they will not be tack sharp.
Fifth, with a 600mm lens, you will not need a teleconverter for most shots unless you migrate into wildlife, where an 800mm lens is better. However, either lens requires deep pockets.
Sixth, I also say good luck and keep on shooting. However, I'd only use the 1.4 or the 2, not both.

Seventh is not part of the question but from my personal experience. I recently shot a local rodeo from the stands. Being at the far end of the arena, I used a 1.4 tele on my Nikon 200-500 f5.6 lens. This was mounted on a Nikon D850. This, in effect, made my lens one stop higher, which wasn't the effect I wanted. I switched to my 70-200 f2.8 and exposure was much better, but I lost one stop when I tried the 1.4 tele. It may not seem like much, but one stop was noticeable.
First, he stated that he did not post in the bird ... (show quote)


I am actually a professional soorts photographer. Dont often post sports photos because historically the corporation I worked for claimed they owned the photos. They no longer claim that so I am now posting some sports photos.

As to not posting in the bird sectiin I only posted in the main section because this was about converters not birds which is why gwilloams posted people being pulled on tubes behind a boat.

Also I think most of the argument about sharpness of the original images ia more about exactly where the focus point is, the narrow depth of field and the post processing or lack thereof. For example the beak of the wren is not particularly sharp.

As to a 600 f4 I thought about getting one but the 400 2.8 with a converter covers essentially all of Nikons big lenses while only buying one. They make the 400, a 600 f4, a 800 f6.3, well the 400 with the built in 1.4 is a 560f4 so almost the equivalent of the 600 f 4 and without the 1.4 converter but wirh the 2x attatched it is an 800 f6.3, so in my view it is more versitle.

Also for some of us there is no such thing as a big enough lens. A couple years ago I started shooting softball from behind the outfield fence. It allows you to shoot both batters and defense and baserunning at all four bases. All you miss is catches in the iutfield. Well sure enough they wanted me to shoot baseball from the same place and since fields are much larger even 1120 is marginal for home plate.

As to rodeo I have never shot from the stands. A 200_500 is pretty good for every event except team roping if you are in the arena.

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Apr 22, 2024 15:13:56   #
btbg
 
texasdigital wrote:
At the risk of sounding rude, what is your line of work?


You are not being rude. The reason I am on the forum under btbg instead of my name is because I work for a newspaper corporation with 23 or 24 newspapers. I shoot spirts and write. I also get sent out on low light news stories, bad accidents or fires, or police activity, the things that shake most people up.

I have the equipment I have because of kow ligjt and the fact that for some things like fires having a big lens may be the difference between having a shot for the news or not. I try to shoot sharp photos, but the reality is I get paid for the decisive moment not the technical quality of the photo, akthough that is still important.

I use the nickname heee, which standa for big tall bald guy because I participate in the attic at times and doing so under my name would not be considered professional

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Apr 22, 2024 15:14:27   #
texasdigital Loc: Conroe, Texas
 
joecichjr wrote:
Superlative 👑👑👑👑


I'm from the South, so you might want to consider using words that we country boys understand without opening a dictionary. Say, transcendent. Yet that might be giving me too much credit, so how about extraordinary?

Ah, heck ... use what words you desire, I'll just consult Dr. Google if I don't understand. Accept my gratitude for your supporting reply.



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Apr 22, 2024 15:17:31   #
joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
 
joecichjr wrote:
Superlative 👑👑👑👑

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Apr 22, 2024 15:20:06   #
ialvarez50
 
btbg wrote:
Here's the photos


The pictures are ok, you need to focus better. The first bird. The tails are sharp but not the head, secon bird much the same. Probably manual focusing or select a focusing spot on the head of the bird.
My two cents.

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Apr 22, 2024 15:20:35   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
btbg wrote:
I decided to post these images because of recent discussions about whether or not people should use 2x extenders. I know these are birds, but putting them in the bird subsection will prevent the converter discussion.
The photos are taken with a Nikon 400f2.8s lens. The built in 1.4 converter is being used and coupled with a 2x converter. The wren also has a 5mm extension tube for closer focus.
So, the question is are these photos sharp enough, or should people not use the converters and attempt to gain the extra reach by cropping. I believe that any loss of image quality from using the converter is more than offset by the additional reach and the ability to come closer to filling the frame, but I thought it would be interesting to see where any discussion would go. Those of you who believe that no one should use teleconverters, go ahead and have your say. The photos will be posted in the first reply.
I decided to post these images because of recent d... (show quote)

I was one of that group that thought teleconverters were rather useless UNTIL I started using teleconverters that are specifically designed for lens being used, i.e.: Sony's FE 1.4x and FE 2x with their FE 200-600 lens. Now I'm a teleconverter fan.

My old Kenko 1.4x and 2x teleconverters work but with a significant loss in image quality.

bwa

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Apr 22, 2024 15:21:48   #
texasdigital Loc: Conroe, Texas
 
btbg wrote:
I also get sent out on low light news stories, bad accidents or fires, or police activity, the things that shake most people up.


Until I retired, I was a crime scene photographer. We may have more in common than most.

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Apr 22, 2024 15:27:44   #
photophile Loc: Lakewood, Ohio, USA
 
texasdigital wrote:
I'm from the South, so you might want to consider using words that we country boys understand without opening a dictionary. Say, transcendent. Yet that might be giving me too much credit, so how about extraordinary?

Ah, heck ... use what words you desire, I'll just consult Dr. Google if I don't understand. Accept my gratitude for your supporting reply.


Hilarious!

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Apr 22, 2024 15:35:48   #
btbg
 
ialvarez50 wrote:
The pictures are ok, you need to focus better. The first bird. The tails are sharp but not the head, secon bird much the same. Probably manual focusing or select a focusing spot on the head of the bird.
My two cents.


You could be right about the focus. Manual focus wouldn't help as the photos are cropped and Im doing good just to get a focus point on the birds.

I know that the bird photographers here spend a lot of time and energy getting their photos. I did not. I shot these specifically because of an earlier discussion about converters and I wanted to here from both sides. I have found the conversation to be interesting and possibly informative. I went to a location deliberately where it is impossibke to get close to the birds because of fencing and water. It is a man made wildlife refuge that is a series of ten holding ponds created to take treated sewage water and allow it to settle even further before the water retuens to a river. They have planted natural grasses and other plants that attract birds have about 10 miles of hiking trails around the ponds. Over the past 6 or 7 years they have started getting more and more species of birds. I go out there for exercise and take my camera along just in case. Last week I just decided to do this because of the converter discussion. Onky way to shoot heee is go really big or crop like crazy, cant set up blinds and ecen if you did someone with a dog or with kittle kids on bikes willbcome aroundbthe pavedbportiin of the trails and spook any birds that got even close to the trails, so its great for hiking and bird watching, but not for bird photography, making it a perfect location to try out teleconverters.

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Apr 22, 2024 15:44:19   #
btbg
 
texasdigital wrote:
Until I retired, I was a crime scene photographer. We may have more in common than most.


Could be. Not sure I would want that job. About 7 years ago I soent 3 hours under a car because I was sent to shoot a police stand off with an armwd subject and that was the only place I could find where i was behind the police barracades but still in sight. I'm sure if they had seen me they would have made me move. Anyway I got the shots and then the family of the individual came into the paper to discuss his mental illness and what ked to his mental break and they chose to run a news story and a feature story about mentall illnesss without the photos i took. Instead they had me go with a news reporter to shoot the family whe they talked to them about mental illness. On the one had I was glad because I certainly didn't want to imbarrass the individual, who it turned out I knew, but on the other hand they would have been award winning photos.

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Apr 22, 2024 15:45:25   #
cindo51
 
These are stunning photographs! I have a 2x extender that I purchased when I went to Africa, but I really didn't use it... and you can't use auto focus with it as I recall. I shoot either a canon 90D (a 7D at the time) and my two go-to lenses are 24-70 and 70-200... but you have inspired me!

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Apr 22, 2024 17:05:17   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Sinewsworn wrote:
Thought to add a couple of recent examples from our yard. Z9, 600pF.


Both much sharper than his.

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Apr 22, 2024 17:06:59   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
Both much sharper than his.



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