Agree or disagree (Page 8): And, he was wrong. It was an effective treaty. At least have in place a replacement and negotiate something for ratification. Your opinion is not widely...

Triple G

btbg wrote:

Trump was right to withdraw. That should have been... (show quote)

And, he was wrong. It was an effective treaty. At least have in place a replacement and negotiate something for ratification. Your opinion is not widely shared.

https://armscontrolcenter.org/a-worthless-withdrawal-two-years-since-president-trump-abandoned-the-jcpoa/

https://warontherocks.com/2018/10/surviving-the-u-s-withdrawal-from-the-iran-nuclear-deal-what-we-do-and-dont-need-to-worry-about/

Triple G

btbg wrote:

Also the 6 billion was frozen but kike most of the left you have ignored that lofting sanctions was not just about that 6 billion, it has also allowed them to sell more oil internationally and use that money. So I'm not talking about that 6 billion even though I think Biden was foolish to start releasing that money.

It was done in good faith since there was no agreement in place to prevent it. Either abide by the agreements or don't. I believe it was a concerted effort to get back to a deal when there was none after Trump. I think more could have been accomplished with it with better communication.

https://theconversation.com/ransom-or-realism-a-closer-look-at-bidens-prisoner-swap-deal-with-iran-213442

btbg

Triple G wrote:

It was done in good faith since there was no agreement in place to prevent it. Either abide by the agreements or don't. I believe it was a concerted effort to get back to a deal when there was none after Trump. I think more could have been accomplished with it with better communication.

https://theconversation.com/ransom-or-realism-a-closer-look-at-bidens-prisoner-swap-deal-with-iran-213442

I agree they wanted back to a deal, but it was still a bad deal. Look at what Iran did during the Trump administration and what they are doing now. Far worse now so the rational conclusion is Trump was right.

btbg

DennyT wrote:

I said I don’t know but I do know it is not carpet bombing .
Killing women in children is not “ defense “ is it ?

Well since you don't know I have a little secret to tell you. To defeat an enemy you must go where the enemy is. If they are cowards hidong in the middle of women and children that is on them.

Another factor that you are ignoring is in rhe U.S. we consider them to be kods until they are 18 but in parts of Africa and the middle east they may be enemy cbatablnts at the age of 12 or 13. In war ignoring someone because they are a "kid" gets you killed.

Triple G

btbg wrote:

I agree they wanted back to a deal, but it was still a bad deal. Look at what Iran did during the Trump administration and what they are doing now. Far worse now so the rational conclusion is Trump was right.

Or, trump's actions made it possible as the experts believe.

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

Kraken wrote:

We are funding Ukraine so we don't have to fight Russia.

Why is it so hard for you to see that?

What makes you think that the EU can't fully fund the Ukraine so that they will not soon be fighting Russia for their continued existence?

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

DennyT wrote:

But we are not at war “‘or in conflict with Hamas “ so why are funding the killing of children ?

We are funding an ally, one that has much closer ties to the US than does the Ukraine also one fighting for their very existence. They are fighting to win, just as we did in WWII, war is ugly Denny, no one should know that better than you, Israel did not start this war the governing body of Gaza did and the manner in which they started this war was a crime against humanity, they deserve to be exterminated and if that means what is happening in Gaza right now so be it. Israelis deserve to live in peace and that will never happen as long as Palestinians are chanting from the river to the sea and electing and supporting terrorist organizations to govern them.

We killed plenty of innocents ourselves in both Iraq and in Afghanistan, hell, Biden droned a family of relief workers including 7 children in an effort to save face after the 13 service members were killed at the gate during his disastrous withdraw from Afghanistan. Where were your tears for them?

btbg

Triple G wrote:

Or, trump's actions made it possible as the experts believe.

You choose the experts you want to believe. If you want to look there are plenty of articles on the other side of the fence starting clear back when Obama agreed to the initial deal. There are peoole on both side on this one. All I would say is no matter which side you are on why would you even consider negotiating with terrorists and lifting sanctions on them? Thats insane.

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

btbg wrote:

Well since you don't know I have a little secret to tell you. To defeat an enemy you must go where the enemy is. If they are cowards hidong in the middle of women and children that is on them.

Who is the “ them” you refer to .

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

Triple G wrote:

And, he was wrong. It was an effective treaty. At least have in place a replacement and negotiate something for ratification. Your opinion is not widely shared.

https://armscontrolcenter.org/a-worthless-withdrawal-two-years-since-president-trump-abandoned-the-jcpoa/

https://warontherocks.com/2018/10/surviving-the-u-s-withdrawal-from-the-iran-nuclear-deal-what-we-do-and-dont-need-to-worry-about/

Yeah sure it was especially the classified portions of the agreement that the American public was not allowed to know about. If it was such a wonderful agreement how is it that Obama never tried to have it ratified as a treaty?

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

Blurryeyed wrote:

We are funding an ally, one that has much closer t... (show quote)

An ally ?? Tell us where was Israel after 9-11.

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

btbg wrote:

You choose the experts you want to believe. If you want to look there are plenty of articles on the other side of the fence starting clear back when Obama agreed to the initial deal. There are peoole on both side on this one. All I would say is no matter which side you are on why would you even consider negotiating with terrorists and lifting sanctions on them? Thats insane.

The deal that Obama and other nations entered into with Iran had a single purpose to stop irans nuclear proliferation. It was working.
Trump back out no because of anything to do within irans nuc program.
He back out because it did not have any impact on any of irans “ other “ activities. And because he wanted to away with anything associated with Obama - good or bad !!

btbg

DennyT wrote:

Who is the “ them” you refer to .

Hamas, who do you think I was talking about. It is Hamas that is building their infrastructure under and in schools and hospitals and it is Hamas that is hiding behind women and children. DUH!

btbg

DennyT wrote:

The deal that Obama and other nations entered into with Iran had a single purpose to stop irans nuclear proliferation. It was working.
Trump back out no because of anything to do within irans nuc program.
He back out because it did not have any impact on any of irans “ other “ activities. And because he wanted to away with anything associated with Obama - good or bad !!

That is totally bogus. The deal they entered into delayed Iran for 10 years but got rid of the sanctions so at the end of the 10 years they could go back to work on their nuclear program but now with more money.

Thebother countries involved wanted Irans oil and didn't care what happened later.

Obama did the typical lefty thing kick the can down the road so that the problem doesn't happen while they are in power and they can blame it on someone else later instead of fixing the probelm to begin with. Go back and look at all tje stories from when the original deal was made and look at all tje articles warning about what was going to happen later.

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

DennyT wrote:

An ally ?? Tell us where was Israel after 9-11.

Are you suggesting that Israel should have taken up arms in the sandbox? What purpose would that have served Denny, don't the Arab nations already hate Israel enough? Do you somehow think that we needed their kinetic support? Do you think that they did not share intelligence with us Denny?

Are you an anti-semite Denny?