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Apr 21, 2024 20:00:47   #
Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay
 
Racmanaz wrote:
Iran was going broke under Trumps leadership and now that have richly benefited from Biden’s weakness. Iran is much much richer now under Joe Biden then they were under Trump.


Iran does not have the money, it has been frozen. Look it up.

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Apr 21, 2024 20:01:27   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
Kraken wrote:
Iran does not have the money, it has been frozen. Look it up.


I didn’t say anything about the $6 billion.

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Apr 21, 2024 20:01:41   #
btbg
 
Racmanaz wrote:
Iran was going broke under Trumps leadership and now that have richly benefited from Biden’s weakness. Iran is much much richer now under Joe Biden then they were under Trump.


Duh. Couldnt afford their nuclear program with all the sanctions but they sure can now.

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Apr 21, 2024 20:03:33   #
btbg
 
Kraken wrote:
Iran does not have the money, it has been frozen. Look it up.


Thats the 6 billion. Biden lifted the sanctions so they have oil money again. Look it up.

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Apr 22, 2024 08:49:02   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
btbg wrote:
Open your eyes Iran is trying to start an all out war with Israel and the U.S. Obama foolishly gave them the ability to develop nuclear weapons and they have made clear that once they have them their intent is to destroy both Israel and the U.S.

Russia is a danger but only indirectly to us. Iran is a direct danger to us. Supporting Israel against Iran and Hamas is far more important to U.S. interests than what happens in Europe.

But that isn't even the issue I was trying to address. 1) we dont have the money to support either. 2) Both are similar as they are attacking allies of ours and the agressors are our enemies so the two should be treated somewhat similarly. And 3) NATO is there to help Ukraine but we are the only ally there to support Israel. So people who are arguing that we need to support Ukraine but not Israel are not thinking clearly.
Open your eyes Iran is trying to start an all out ... (show quote)


1. We are a member of NATO
2. Ukraine is not a
3. EU countries have contributed more Ukraine support than America:

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/these-countries-have-committed-the-most-aid-to-ukraine

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Apr 22, 2024 09:11:55   #
Triple G
 
btbg wrote:
Duh. Couldnt afford their nuclear program with all the sanctions but they sure can now.


Look at 2016 and why sanctions were lifted (we had to abide by the UN agreement) and look at the actions taken since Dec. 2016. There have been a lot of missteps on Iran for a very long time. One of them was trumps action to withdraw from the agreement and another was Biden's effort to get hostages freed. Iran is vulnerable, however, so let's put some pressure back on. I believe some if not all of those assets still frozen from Iran, but by Qatar instead of Korea.

"The money was transferred to banks in Qatar but has essentially been refrozen in the aftermath of the deadly attack by Hamas on Israel of Oct. 7, 2023, and rising tension between the U.S. and other Iran-backed militant groups after Israel invaded Gaza."

Look at recommendation from just a month ago.

https://www.stimson.org/2024/how-to-prevent-a-nuclear-crisis-with-iran/

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/iran-economy/#:~:text=More%20oil%20revenues%20have%20been,as%20fast%20as%20the%20GDP.

https://www.iranintl.com/en/20211205244208

https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/04/15/israel-war-iran-biden-netanyahu-escalation/

https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-profiles/countries-g-n/iran.aspx

https://iranprimer.usip.org/resource/timeline-us-sanctions

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Apr 22, 2024 11:17:29   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
Triple G wrote:
Look at 2016 and why sanctions were lifted (we had to abide by the UN agreement) and look at the actions taken since Dec. 2016. There have been a lot of missteps on Iran for a very long time. One of them was trumps action to withdraw from the agreement and another was Biden's effort to get hostages freed. Iran is vulnerable, however, so let's put some pressure back on. I believe some if not all of those assets still frozen from Iran, but by Qatar instead of Korea.

"The money was transferred to banks in Qatar but has essentially been refrozen in the aftermath of the deadly attack by Hamas on Israel of Oct. 7, 2023, and rising tension between the U.S. and other Iran-backed militant groups after Israel invaded Gaza."

Look at recommendation from just a month ago.

https://www.stimson.org/2024/how-to-prevent-a-nuclear-crisis-with-iran/

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/iran-economy/#:~:text=More%20oil%20revenues%20have%20been,as%20fast%20as%20the%20GDP.

https://www.iranintl.com/en/20211205244208

https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/04/15/israel-war-iran-biden-netanyahu-escalation/

https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-profiles/countries-g-n/iran.aspx

https://iranprimer.usip.org/resource/timeline-us-sanctions
Look at 2016 and why sanctions were lifted (we had... (show quote)


The biggest misstep by America in Iran ever was in the long American support of the Shah. We looked the other way during his SAVAK torture and executions the same way we are looking the other way when Palestinians women and children are killed- all the name of getting the bad guys.
That opened the door for Khomeini in the 60-79 era and the Iran revolution and it got us to 9-11 and where we are today.

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Apr 22, 2024 11:26:11   #
Triple G
 
DennyT wrote:
The biggest misstep by America in Iran ever was in the long American support of the Shah. We looked the other way during his SAVAK torture and executions the same way we are looking the other way when Palestinians women and children are killed- all the name of getting the bad guys.
That opened the door for Khomeini in the 60-79 era and the Iran revolution and it got us to 9-11 and where we are today.


My Father-in-law served in Persia and he had some very interesting stories about working with Russia to build the railroad.

https://rogerfarnworth.com/2020/04/13/railways-in-iran-part-12-photographs-from-the-second-world-war/

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Apr 22, 2024 11:43:48   #
btbg
 
DennyT wrote:
1. We are a member of NATO
2. Ukraine is not a
3. EU countries have contributed more Ukraine support than America:

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/these-countries-have-committed-the-most-aid-to-ukraine


Try reading for understanding. We have contributed 75 billion as of when that article was written and are voting on 60 billion more. All of the rest of NATO combined are at 93 billion. Let them pay their fair share, especially since we are not even an ally of Ukraine. You want to withdraw support from Israel who is our ally and continue to give billions to a country that is not our ally. Let the countries in NATO who are near Ukraine do their job. Tje article would indicate that only about tjree other NATO countries are doing much of anything.

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Apr 22, 2024 11:50:21   #
btbg
 
Triple G wrote:
Look at 2016 and why sanctions were lifted (we had to abide by the UN agreement) and look at the actions taken since Dec. 2016. There have been a lot of missteps on Iran for a very long time. One of them was trumps action to withdraw from the agreement and another was Biden's effort to get hostages freed. Iran is vulnerable, however, so let's put some pressure back on. I believe some if not all of those assets still frozen from Iran, but by Qatar instead of Korea.

"The money was transferred to banks in Qatar but has essentially been refrozen in the aftermath of the deadly attack by Hamas on Israel of Oct. 7, 2023, and rising tension between the U.S. and other Iran-backed militant groups after Israel invaded Gaza."

Look at recommendation from just a month ago.

https://www.stimson.org/2024/how-to-prevent-a-nuclear-crisis-with-iran/

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/iran-economy/#:~:text=More%20oil%20revenues%20have%20been,as%20fast%20as%20the%20GDP.

https://www.iranintl.com/en/20211205244208

https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/04/15/israel-war-iran-biden-netanyahu-escalation/

https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-profiles/countries-g-n/iran.aspx

https://iranprimer.usip.org/resource/timeline-us-sanctions
Look at 2016 and why sanctions were lifted (we had... (show quote)


Trump was right to withdraw. That should have been a ratified treaty and it was not. It was a bad deal that virtually guaranteed that Iran would get nuclear weapons and it wasnt legally done. And who cares about the U.N. Do you really think that they have our best interests at heart? Lifting sanctions just helps fuel terrorism and their nuclear program. We have made mistakes in the middle east since at least Carter, and the only president I have agreed with on middle east policy since then is Trump.

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Apr 22, 2024 11:54:20   #
btbg
 
Triple G wrote:
Look at 2016 and why sanctions were lifted (we had to abide by the UN agreement) and look at the actions taken since Dec. 2016. There have been a lot of missteps on Iran for a very long time. One of them was trumps action to withdraw from the agreement and another was Biden's effort to get hostages freed. Iran is vulnerable, however, so let's put some pressure back on. I believe some if not all of those assets still frozen from Iran, but by Qatar instead of Korea.

"The money was transferred to banks in Qatar but has essentially been refrozen in the aftermath of the deadly attack by Hamas on Israel of Oct. 7, 2023, and rising tension between the U.S. and other Iran-backed militant groups after Israel invaded Gaza."

Look at recommendation from just a month ago.

https://www.stimson.org/2024/how-to-prevent-a-nuclear-crisis-with-iran/

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/iran-economy/#:~:text=More%20oil%20revenues%20have%20been,as%20fast%20as%20the%20GDP.

https://www.iranintl.com/en/20211205244208

https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/04/15/israel-war-iran-biden-netanyahu-escalation/

https://world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-profiles/countries-g-n/iran.aspx

https://iranprimer.usip.org/resource/timeline-us-sanctions
Look at 2016 and why sanctions were lifted (we had... (show quote)


Also the 6 billion was frozen but kike most of the left you have ignored that lofting sanctions was not just about that 6 billion, it has also allowed them to sell more oil internationally and use that money. So I'm not talking about that 6 billion even though I think Biden was foolish to start releasing that money.

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Apr 22, 2024 11:57:12   #
btbg
 
DennyT wrote:
The biggest misstep by America in Iran ever was in the long American support of the Shah. We looked the other way during his SAVAK torture and executions the same way we are looking the other way when Palestinians women and children are killed- all the name of getting the bad guys.
That opened the door for Khomeini in the 60-79 era and the Iran revolution and it got us to 9-11 and where we are today.


Denny, answer the question that has been repestedly asked. How is Israel supposed to protect themself from Hamas? Raz posted a lenghty article that documents how they build their military infrastructure in and under schools and hospitals. What do you want Israel to do, capitulate? Do they have a right to defend themselves or not?

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Apr 22, 2024 12:17:17   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
btbg wrote:
Denny, answer the question that has been repestedly asked. How is Israel supposed to protect themself from Hamas? Raz posted a lenghty article that documents how they build their military infrastructure in and under schools and hospitals. What do you want Israel to do, capitulate? Do they have a right to defend themselves or not?


I said I don’t know but I do know it is not carpet bombing .
Killing women in children is not “ defense “ is it ?

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Apr 22, 2024 12:18:06   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
btbg wrote:
Try reading for understanding. We have contributed 75 billion as of when that article was written and are voting on 60 billion more. All of the rest of NATO combined are at 93 billion. Let them pay their fair share, especially since we are not even an ally of Ukraine. You want to withdraw support from Israel who is our ally and continue to give billions to a country that is not our ally. Let the countries in NATO who are near Ukraine do their job. Tje article would indicate that only about tjree other NATO countries are doing much of anything.
Try reading for understanding. We have contributed... (show quote)



Wrong again

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_192648.htm#:~:text=Since%20the%20start%20of%20Russia's,all%20military%20aid%20to%20Ukraine.

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Apr 22, 2024 12:18:07   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
DennyT wrote:
I said I don’t know but I do know it is not carpet bombing .
Killing women in children is not “ defense “ is it ?


Carpet bombing? Do you have evidence that Israel is doing such a thing?

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