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Apr 16, 2024 17:16:17   #
srg
 
Shellback wrote:
Yes, you are correct. But in the video, the speaker references the M8 galaxy, not the universe.
This is just the section that discusses Stars vs Trees

https://youtu.be/8FxTgaHnbXE?t=1422&si=qSNBFNH7C8tbvehU

Transcript:
Which do you think is greater, the number of stars in the galaxy or the number of trees on Earth?
It's a bit of a strange question, but most people believe there's an obvious answer. The M8 Galaxy is over a 100,000 light years wide and a thousand light years tall and Earth, is just Earth. Surely there must be more stars than trees, right? That's the more commonly guessed of the two answers but it turns out that's incorrect. At least we're pretty sure it's incorrect. According to our best estimates, there are between 100 and 400 billion stars in our galaxy while there are three trillion trees here on Earth. Of course these are just estimates using sample sizes and extrapolation and whatnot. Nobody has time to sit down and count every star or tree so it's certainly possible the numbers are a little off. However, since the estimates state that there is an order of magnitude more trees than Stars, it's unlikely that the margin of error in the estimates would swing the numbers back in the favor of stars.

So based on that - I interpret the conversation to be about trees vs a single galaxy.
Yes, you are correct. But in the video, the speak... (show quote)


Historically, that is not the main question to ask.
The important question is, how many angels can sit on the head of a pin?
People would fight and get very angry about that.

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Apr 16, 2024 17:30:19   #
Fredrick Loc: Former NYC, now San Francisco Bay Area
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Well, I just drove to the store, and I must have passed a million trees. They are large and small, just a few feet away from each other. I don't have a horse in this race, but it is an interesting idea. People get ideas stuck in their heads, and it's hard to get them to think differently. I heard something about the number of atoms in the universe and a number that is bigger.

I remember driving through Oregon when my son was little. He said to me “boy, there must be 100 trees here in Oregon.” I said “no, there’s a thousand trees here.” He said “wow!”

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Apr 16, 2024 18:20:28   #
mr spock Loc: Fairfield CT
 
BigDaddy wrote:
I've heard numerous times there are more stars out there than grains of sand on earth. When I hear this crap I always wonder who did all this counting?
Same with distances. A million billion light years away...Some of these numbers thrown around are hard to believe, even if true, and again, who did all the counting? The new James Web Telescope seems to be showing lot's of the past "counters" were in fact, wrong.


I also wonder who does the counting. The world’s fastest camera supposedly shoots 3 TRILLION frames per second. Is there a guy counting the frames? And if so does he start over if he misses a few frames at the two and a half triiion mark?

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Apr 17, 2024 09:14:21   #
alberio Loc: Casa Grande AZ
 
Shellback wrote:
Yes, you are correct. But in the video, the speaker references the M8 galaxy, not the universe.
This is just the section that discusses Stars vs Trees

https://youtu.be/8FxTgaHnbXE?t=1422&si=qSNBFNH7C8tbvehU

Transcript:
Which do you think is greater, the number of stars in the galaxy or the number of trees on Earth?
It's a bit of a strange question, but most people believe there's an obvious answer. The M8 Galaxy is over a 100,000 light years wide and a thousand light years tall and Earth, is just Earth. Surely there must be more stars than trees, right? That's the more commonly guessed of the two answers but it turns out that's incorrect. At least we're pretty sure it's incorrect. According to our best estimates, there are between 100 and 400 billion stars in our galaxy while there are three trillion trees here on Earth. Of course these are just estimates using sample sizes and extrapolation and whatnot. Nobody has time to sit down and count every star or tree so it's certainly possible the numbers are a little off. However, since the estimates state that there is an order of magnitude more trees than Stars, it's unlikely that the margin of error in the estimates would swing the numbers back in the favor of stars.

So based on that - I interpret the conversation to be about trees vs a single galaxy.
Yes, you are correct. But in the video, the speak... (show quote)


I believe M8 is a BMW, not a Galaxy. It is also the Lagoon Nebulae. Maybe he meant M87.

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Apr 17, 2024 09:23:18   #
FredCM Loc: Central Illinois
 
Astronomers recently pointed their instruments at a dark, seemingly empty bit sky in the Cassiopeia constellation. Wasn't empty at all, billions of galaxies there. Every dot of light they found was a galaxy.

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Apr 17, 2024 09:38:31   #
BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
mr spock wrote:
I also wonder who does the counting. The world’s fastest camera supposedly shoots 3 TRILLION frames per second. Is there a guy counting the frames? And if so does he start over if he misses a few frames at the two and a half triiion mark?

I shouldn't say this cause it's from memory, recent memory which is fading fast...
I was watching something the other day, I think it was on measuring the speed of light, or something like that and they said the camera used was capable of a million frames/sec. I thought hmmm, that's AWFULL fast. 3 Trillion frames/sec I have to question, I doubted a million and frankly would need some in depth explanation on how that could be done.

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Apr 17, 2024 10:48:53   #
andesbill
 
StanMac wrote:
I’m sure I don’t believe the statement about the number of trees outnumbering the stars in the universe. We don’t know how many stars there are in the universe so the statement is someone’s opinion. I do believe that there are most likely more stars in the universe than there are square inches of land on Earth, the minimum amount of area assumed to be needed to seed a tree.

Stan


There are over 1 trillion galaxies, with over 100 billion stars in each galaxy on average. That’s more stars than I have fingers and toes, so I have no intention of multiplying, but that is a lot of stars.

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Apr 17, 2024 11:10:02   #
hugEDhog Loc: Bear, Delaware
 
AI said the number of trees on Earth is greater than the number of stars in a galaxy.

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Apr 17, 2024 11:44:29   #
andesbill
 
hugEDhog wrote:
AI said the number of trees on Earth is greater than the number of stars in a galaxy.


I just read that there are over 3 trillion trees on Earth. That’s equivalent to about 30 galaxies worth of stars.

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Apr 17, 2024 13:35:08   #
Mduffy910 Loc: Michigan
 
jerryc41 wrote:
It seems that our universe is expanding faster than the speed of light, and that imposes several restrictions on us. If we were able to travel a certain distance from earth, we would never be able to return because of the rapid expansion. Also, distant light will never reach us because it is moving away from us too fast.

When the Milky Way and the Andromeda Galaxy collide in millions of years, not one of the billions of stars will collide with another. A spaceship traveling at the speed of light could travel indefinitely in a straight line and not crash into anything. These are two results of the universe being incomprehensively large.

Unrelated, but interesting:
When you shuffle a deck of cards, you will get a result that has never been gotten before.
There are more trees on earth than stars in the universe.

This guy is interesting - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FxTgaHnbXE
It seems that our universe is expanding faster tha... (show quote)


Wow

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Apr 17, 2024 14:27:35   #
Shellback Loc: North of Cheyenne Bottoms Wetlands - Kansas
 
alberio wrote:
I believe M8 is a BMW, not a Galaxy. It is also the Lagoon Nebulae. Maybe he meant M87.


Yeah, don’t know - just trying to make sense of his talk…

Actually, the M8, BMW, and Galaxy are all cars to me

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Apr 17, 2024 14:50:49   #
francosp Loc: Arizona
 
Very interesting. Thank you for the link.

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Apr 17, 2024 15:44:55   #
tgreenhaw
 
jerryc41 wrote:

There are more trees on earth than stars in the universe.

LOL, no = not even remotely close...
One estimate is that there are 100 to 200 sextillion (10^23) stars in the observable universe.
Estimates suggest that there are about 3 trillion (3 x 10^12) trees on Earth.

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Apr 17, 2024 15:47:04   #
alberio Loc: Casa Grande AZ
 
Shellback wrote:
Yeah, don’t know - just trying to make sense of his talk…

Actually, the M8, BMW, and Galaxy are all cars to me


Good one, I forgot about the Galaxy 👍👍👍

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Apr 17, 2024 16:32:35   #
cahale Loc: San Angelo, TX
 
jerryc41 wrote:
It seems that our universe is expanding faster than the speed of light, and that imposes several restrictions on us. If we were able to travel a certain distance from earth, we would never be able to return because of the rapid expansion. Also, distant light will never reach us because it is moving away from us too fast.

When the Milky Way and the Andromeda Galaxy collide in millions of years, not one of the billions of stars will collide with another. A spaceship traveling at the speed of light could travel indefinitely in a straight line and not crash into anything. These are two results of the universe being incomprehensively large.

Unrelated, but interesting:
When you shuffle a deck of cards, you will get a result that has never been gotten before.
There are more trees on earth than stars in the universe.

This guy is interesting - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FxTgaHnbXE
It seems that our universe is expanding faster tha... (show quote)


When you shuffle a deck of cards, there are 8.0658175e+67 possible permutations.
Given infinity, the number of trees on the earth is infinitely smaller than the number of stars.

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