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Apr 15, 2024 17:49:59   #
Triple G
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Well, even Bill Maher suggests that abortion is murder.....

"Bill Maher addressed abortion on this week's edition of 'Real Time' on HBO: "That's why I don't understand the 15-week thing or Trump's plan is to leave it to the states. You mean, so killing babies is okay in some states? I can respect the absolutist position, I really can. I scold the left when they say 'Oh, you know what, they just hate women,' people who aren't pro-choice. They don’t hate women. They just made that up. They think it’s murder. And it kind of is. I’m just okay with that. I am. I mean there's 8 billion people in the world. I'm sorry, we won't miss you. That's my position on that. Is that not your position if you're pro-choice? You said you're pro-choice, that's your position too."
Well, even Bill Maher suggests that abortion is mu... (show quote)


If you agree with that, then you should be against all abortions. If you don't agree with Maher, what's your point in posting it?

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Apr 15, 2024 17:56:51   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
dennis2146 wrote:
As a general rule we do not bring up family members here in The Attic. If they are not members they don't deserve to be here or spoken of.

Dennis


most people understand that....but then there is FRANKT

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Apr 15, 2024 18:12:54   #
mikee
 
Triple G wrote:
I'm not calling it anything. The state of TN is. Ask them and the states that follow their lead.


TN is not a state that is known for "leading". A quick google search shows it's ranked 33rd in education, 41 in crime and corrections, 34th in health care, and 26th in "opportunity", and has a median household income of $65,000.

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Apr 15, 2024 18:21:43   #
Triple G
 
mikee wrote:
TN is not a state that is known for "leading". A quick google search shows it's ranked 33rd in education, 41 in crime and corrections, 34th in health care, and 26th in "opportunity", and has a median household income of $65,000.


So this is very out of character for TN! If it can happen here it can happen anywhere. You did catch that didn't you? Let me know when a Jewish group files for a religious exemption for your state's abortion bans.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-groups-gear-up-to-battle-abortion-bans-after-roe-overturned/

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-population-in-the-united-states-by-state

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Apr 15, 2024 18:35:11   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
wilpharm wrote:
most people understand that....but then there is FRANKT


Willie
It's kind of creepy that you can't get me out of your mind.
Just so you're aware, I like women, so what you're thinking of, can never be.
BTW how's business in Tijuana?

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Apr 15, 2024 18:39:20   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Triple G wrote:
If you agree with that, then you should be against all abortions. If you don't agree with Maher, what's your point in posting it?


I do agree with it but I also agree that there is a period during when a pregnancy can be terminated before the baby is fully formed, long before it's sense of touch and pain have developed, for the same reason that you support abortion I understand that an unwanted pregnancy can be very disrupted to the lives of those involved including that of the baby so I support a policy that is supported by the majority of Americans as well as most countries in the EU. Limiting abortion to the first trimester.

I have never hidden the fact that in my opinion a late term abortion is murder.

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Apr 15, 2024 18:54:53   #
Triple G
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
I do agree with it but I also agree that there is a period during when a pregnancy can be terminated before the baby is fully formed, long before it's sense of touch and pain have developed, for the same reason that you support abortion I understand that an unwanted pregnancy can be very disrupted to the lives of those involved including that of the baby so I support a policy that is supported by the majority of Americans as well as most countries in the EU. Limiting abortion to the first trimester.

I have never hidden the fact that in my opinion a late term abortion is murder.
I do agree with it but I also agree that there is ... (show quote)


You cannot believe all abortions are murder as Maher does and then add a "but" or "unless" or whatever else you see as exceptions. It's murder, punishable as a crime or it is not. There are no in betweens in that belief. If you want to state your belief that it's not murder until after x amount of week's, then you have to square how come it's not murder in weeks prior to x date.

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Apr 15, 2024 19:04:03   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Triple G wrote:
You cannot believe all abortions are murder as Maher does and then add a "but" or "unless" or whatever else you see as exceptions. It's murder, punishable as a crime or it is not. There are no in betweens in that belief. If you want to state your belief that it's not murder until after x amount of week's, then you have to square how come it's not murder in weeks prior to x date.


I am not so sure that Maher definitively said that all abortions are murder, regardless, I have always stated here that at a certain point during a pregnancy abortion becomes murder, that is my position and I may disagree with Maher if he takes a different stanch.

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Apr 15, 2024 21:37:56   #
jcboy3
 
dennis2146 wrote:
And you OBVIOUSLY are a liar. Not once have I ever spoke of little regard for women or personal autonomy. Point out where I have said that. I am all for abortion but with a limited time to have it done. Where is your opinion different than mine on that issue. You on the Left constantly attack me and other Conservatives with outright bullshit F'd up lies regarding the abortion issue.

I have pointed out women should bear some responsibility on abortion such as using birth control. Do your opinion differ from mine in that regard? Why? Why shouldn't women use some sort of birth control IF they do not want to get pregnant. Birth control methods are all around us and as has been pointed out here a few times can be free. Why would a woman not use them? Any idea how many women have had multiple abortions? No, I have no idea but if it is quite a few then there is something wrong with that woman wouldn't you think? Can you be honest for once and speak to the issue rather than attacking me or other Conservatives. Can you agree women should share some responsibility since as you tell us it is their body. Yes men also share responsibility as well but shouldn't that be between the man and women prior to having sex? Shouldn't the woman ensure the man is using birth control or not have sex to begin with? After that you on the Left tell us the man has no say in what happens to the baby. You have then dismissed the man from the equation haven't you? What if he wants to have the baby and will take care of it? He isn't allowed to do that is he?

So tell me/us where your opinion differs do much from mine. Do you really expect Conservatives who care about the fetus/baby to allow the woman to carry the baby full term and THEN decide to kill it? Where is your cut off point?

Dennis
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You start by accusing me of being a liar.

I could respond to the rest of your ravings, but you are such a low class rotten excuse for a human being I won't waste my time.

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Apr 15, 2024 21:39:32   #
jcboy3
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
I am not so sure that Maher definitively said that all abortions are murder, regardless, I have always stated here that at a certain point during a pregnancy abortion becomes murder, that is my position and I may disagree with Maher if he takes a different stanch.


And at what point would that be? And at what point does a fetus have rights that supersede the rights of a woman? As far as I'm concerned, it's a woman's body and the fetus has no rights until it is born.

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Apr 15, 2024 21:41:54   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
jcboy3 wrote:
And at what point would that be? And at what point does a fetus have rights that supersede the rights of a woman? As far as I'm concerned, it's a woman's body and the fetus has no rights until it is born.


So you condone murder, no surprise there.

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Apr 16, 2024 01:55:58   #
jcboy3
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
So you condone murder, no surprise there.


Murder is killing a person. A fetus is not a person. Your confusion is not surprising.

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Apr 16, 2024 06:35:25   #
Triple G
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
I am not so sure that Maher definitively said that all abortions are murder, regardless, I have always stated here that at a certain point during a pregnancy abortion becomes murder, that is my position and I may disagree with Maher if he takes a different stanch.


You and our judicial system cannot call it murder and not levy all the normal consequences to that crime. You and judicial system cannot call it murder and then exempt Jewish people because of their religious beliefs as conscientious objectors. Since it is now established as a faith-based law in TN and will in other states, what about other conscientious objectors to Christian-centric determinations? When you and judicial system call it murder, it takes it out of state by state determination. Aren't Christian-centric laws unconstitutional? GOP needs to thoroughly think this through and they haven't and still aren't.

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Apr 16, 2024 09:25:30   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
Triple G wrote:
Religious freedom and other legal exceptions to abortion bans.

Imagine the turnabout where religious freedom (or freedom from religion based laws) is the reason to be pro-abortion. Each and every state will be grappling with that concept which may bring about the call for a uniform nation wide federal law. Lots of chaos, division and pain to get back to where the nation was.

https://forward.com/opinion/601837/tennessee-court-ruling-jews-abortion/?amp=1

Back to a 160 year old state law, or back to before the Dodd decision?

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Apr 16, 2024 09:31:55   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
dennis2146 wrote:
How typical of you on the Left who just want to cry and whine like little babies. I offered to discuss and you give me lies and bullshit stating what I posted was false. What are the false parts? If you have followed my comments on abortion for a few years you will see my opinion has not wavered in the least.

AGAIN I ask what is your opinion on how long before a fetus can be aborted and you refuse to answer. AGAIN you simply want to whine and cry and call me names saying I am lying.

Men are 100% responsible for babies you tell us. Now how the Fk can that be. What do men do, masturbate into a sock and then put the sock in a microwave and miraculously a baby appears? Yes that is somewhat gross but not anywhere near as ridiculous as your idiotic point of men being 100% responsible for babies. Talk about your basic maroon thought process from the Left.

Dennis
How typical of you on the Left who just want to cr... (show quote)

Biology 101!

Without sperm, there will NEVER be a fertilized egg!

Therefore there wouldn't be a fetus or subsequently a baby.

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