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Apr 13, 2024 15:00:22   #
btbg
 
gorgehiker wrote:
The cost of reducing the effects of climate change isn't so high when you also consider the cost effects of continuing on the current path in terms of increased frequency and severity of storms, flooding, etc.


Look at the data. The intensity and frequency of storms is simply not increasing, only the damage caused is increasing a d that is because of where people are choosing to build.

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Apr 13, 2024 18:10:12   #
National Park
 
Historical data as well as future climate models show that global warming is (approximately) directly proportional to the increase of CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere. More specifically: every time the CO2 concentrations rise by 10 ppm (parts per million), the mean global temperature increases by 0.1 °C.

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Apr 13, 2024 18:11:44   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
National Park wrote:
Historical data as well as future climate models show that global warming is (approximately) directly proportional to the increase of CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere. More specifically: every time the CO2 concentrations rise by 10 ppm (parts per million), the mean global temperature increases by 0.1 °C.


LOL BS.

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Apr 13, 2024 18:17:39   #
btbg
 
National Park wrote:
Historical data as well as future climate models show that global warming is (approximately) directly proportional to the increase of CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere. More specifically: every time the CO2 concentrations rise by 10 ppm (parts per million), the mean global temperature increases by 0.1 °C.


Based on what I have read that is actually backward. I have read that co2 cjanges tend to follow after the temperarure change. There is a correlation, but the historical pattern based on ice core samples seems to indicate tjat when temperatures rise co2 levels follow and begin to rise and when temperatures begin to cool co2 levels also begin to go down.

In the 1800s tjere was a major volcanic erruption that led to a couple years of much cooler than normal temperatures. The eruption released a large quantity of co2, which then diminished as temperatures fell. Based on the hisorical pattern that does not appear to be unusial.

The more interesting question is why is anyone afraid of the earths temperature raisinf by a defree or two celcius. The earth has been warmer before.

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Apr 13, 2024 23:17:14   #
pendennis
 
btbg wrote:
Based on what I have read that is actually backward. I have read that co2 cjanges tend to follow after the temperarure change. There is a correlation, but the historical pattern based on ice core samples seems to indicate tjat when temperatures rise co2 levels follow and begin to rise and when temperatures begin to cool co2 levels also begin to go down.

In the 1800s tjere was a major volcanic erruption that led to a couple years of much cooler than normal temperatures. The eruption released a large quantity of co2, which then diminished as temperatures fell. Based on the hisorical pattern that does not appear to be unusial.

The more interesting question is why is anyone afraid of the earths temperature raisinf by a defree or two celcius. The earth has been warmer before.
Based on what I have read that is actually backwar... (show quote)


Also remember, that 1816, has been named "The Year Without A Summer", when global temperatures fell .4°-.7° C., and temperatures in the middle ages caused a "mini ice age". In 1816, Mt. Tambora erupted, and later, in 1883 Krakatoa erupted.

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Apr 13, 2024 23:54:40   #
Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado
 
ecblackiii wrote:
You go right ahead and clean up after yourself if makes you feel better. I don't mind. I appreciate you're not dumping trash and sewage. Nor do I. But, I'm not falling for junk science, either.

Humans have existed, including in most primitive forms, for only 300,000 years. But the Earth is 4.5 billion years old. What the climate change hysterics fail to address is what caused the earth to go through long, repeated cycles of getting hotter, then colder, for 4.5 billion years! And it has gone through these global warming and cooling cycles when there were no human activities to influence it. No cars, no coal mines, no oil production, factories, no excessive burning of anything! The CO2 narrative falls flat when examined against this long-term science.

What we do know is that the sun goes through long periodic cycles of changes in solar eruptions that affect life on Earth. And the Earth's orbit around the sun is not circular, but elliptical. And the Earth's inclination is changing over time, as is the movement of the magnetic poles, which appear to be trending towards reversing again. Who's looking at these natural cycles?

Notably also, when the Earth gets warmer, vegetation increases. When vegetation increases, plants absorb more CO2 and emit more oxygen--which is very good for humans and all other living creatures. I look forward to a warmer Earth, and only worry about a colder Earth. I can adapt to warmth but cannot survive freezing, particularly in the absence of fuel.

Scientists should be spending more time studying the natural cycles of the sun and Earth instead of jumping to a fixation on CO2 produced by humans. But, since political decisions drive granting money only to studies that support the CO2 narrative, we will wind up chasing our tails until we bankrupt ourselves and have to revert to primitive living conditions.
You go right ahead and clean up after yourself if ... (show quote)


According to the Greek scientist Koutsioannis (Sp?) referenced before:
Evidence (documented), indicates the ~4% contributions of additional carbon (as CO, CO2, CH4 or other greenhouse carbon-based gasses) by human-actions is so low as to be nearly immeasurable and may contribute little to causation of current climate change.

Other causes may be at the root of the issue, yet data nor information of other potential causative factors is being revealed. Hopefully there are some who are investigating ALL kinds of potential causes and sources of climate change.

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Apr 13, 2024 23:56:43   #
Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado
 
sippyjug104 wrote:
The percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere is currently 0.04%. Should the percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere ever drop below 0.03%, life on Earth would become extinct due to the demise of plant life. By the way, the largest source of CO2 in the atmosphere comes from the oceans (there are quite a few organisms living in them).

Water vapor in the air is a far larger contributor to elevated temperatures for as the energy rays pass into the atmosphere, they strike the moisture causing it to warm. Because the specific heat of air is 0.244 and the specific heat of liquid water is 1.0 (0.47 for water vapor with 970.2 Btuh per pound to change state from liquid to vapor), the moisture in the air contains much more heat energy than the air alone.

But, hey....there are no fortunes to be made on "water vapor cap and trade" as there is in "carbon cap and trade" in which investors can buy and sell carbon credits as an industry will need to purchase when they need more credits for their production from other industries that may have a surplus. This is why Wall Street is heavily investing in political contributions and lobbying.
The percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere is current... (show quote)


Good points! Good analysis. Thanks.

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Apr 14, 2024 00:00:37   #
btbg
 
pendennis wrote:
Also remember, that 1816, has been named "The Year Without A Summer", when global temperatures fell .4°-.7° C., and temperatures in the middle ages caused a "mini ice age". In 1816, Mt. Tambora erupted, and later, in 1883 Krakatoa erupted.


I was talking about 1816, forgot about 1883

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Apr 14, 2024 00:23:06   #
FrumCA
 
Mother nature continues to do her work!!

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Apr 14, 2024 00:30:45   #
Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado
 
andesbill wrote:
You’re right, but it won’t be cheap. And every time there is a downturn in the economy, voters squeal, and politicians cave, so I wouldn’t be too hopeful that we will actually solve anything, before nature solves the problem for us, and not to our liking.


Quite true.

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Apr 14, 2024 08:35:13   #
Sirsnapalot Loc: Hammond, Louisiana
 
Racmanaz wrote:
LOL BS.




Top 10 Global Warming Lies That May Shock You

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/02/09/top-10-global-warming-lies-that-may-shock-you/

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Apr 14, 2024 08:53:52   #
Sirsnapalot Loc: Hammond, Louisiana
 
gorgehiker wrote:
The cost of reducing the effects of climate change isn't so high when you also consider the cost effects of continuing on the current path in terms of increased frequency and severity of storms, flooding, etc.



Degrowth: How to Make the World Poorer, Polluted and Miserable

https://youtu.be/X8ttoRlV6QA?si=S-QnXwSGTnhHdHor

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Apr 14, 2024 09:15:00   #
FrumCA
 
Sirsnapalot wrote:
Degrowth: How to Make the World Poorer, Polluted and Miserable

https://youtu.be/X8ttoRlV6QA?si=S-QnXwSGTnhHdHor

Very interesting. I had not heard of "degrowth" before. The argument for capitalism seems to debunk the degrowth theorists.

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Apr 14, 2024 12:24:04   #
Carl S
 
Climate change has become almost a religion: you either believe man is causing it, or you believe that most of the change is due to nature. Arguing about religion is a waste of time!

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Apr 14, 2024 13:24:30   #
Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado
 
Carl S wrote:
Climate change has become almost a religion: you either believe man is causing it, or you believe that most of the change is due to nature. Arguing about religion is a waste of time!


How true!

Regrettably people will never cease arguing about religion. . . OR climate/weather . . . .

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