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Apr 13, 2024 08:35:00   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Recall also that AA said he visualized the photograph before he pressed the shutter button. His approach no doubt involved sizing up the scene with an overlay of a composition within a frame. So, for discussion, we may say AA produced his photographs.
BebuLamar wrote:
Aha! Ansel Adams said he made the photographs. I think make and manufacture have the same meaning right?

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Apr 13, 2024 08:48:55   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
druthven wrote:
I think anotherview threw this out just to stir the pot.


I stand by this observation from study and practice: "Overall, effective image composition remains integral to a worthy photograph."

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Apr 13, 2024 09:37:08   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
For years now, I have described my endeavors in the field of photography this way: "I do photography for its own sake, and to fulfill myself."

My work therein speaks for itself: http://www.500px.com/anotherview2

Incidentally, I began referring to myself as a photographer only after ten years of struggling with the craft of photography. My outlook derives from this effort.
User ID wrote:
Humongous AMEN. Did you review his work ? Much of it really does succeed in displaying applications of his "precepts". And yet, it all fails to establish him as "a photographer". Acoarst theres no sooprise in that.

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Apr 13, 2024 09:43:07   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
anotherview wrote:
I stand by this observation from study and practice: "Overall, effective image composition remains integral to a worthy photograph."


Effective composition is certainly important. I think the negative responses are to the use of the word "precepts", which is an even stronger word than "rules". Some photographers have a natural ability to compose photographs without using rules or precepts, which can become cliches.

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Apr 13, 2024 10:56:49   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
The word "precepts" in my use of it goes to doing photography in general practice including specific techniques.

From this activity, I have observed that effective image composition remains integral to a worthy photograph.
JohnSwanda wrote:
Effective composition is certainly important. I think the negative responses are to the use of the word "precepts", which is an even stronger word than "rules". Some photographers have a natural ability to compose photographs without using rules or precepts, which can become cliches.

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Apr 13, 2024 11:34:59   #
Vault Loc: Gig Harbor, WA and Yuma, AZ
 
My exact thought

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Apr 13, 2024 12:39:55   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
Effective composition is certainly important. I think the negative responses are to the use of the word "precepts", which is an even stronger word than "rules". Some photographers have a natural ability to compose photographs without using rules or precepts, which can become cliches.


That's the point a lot of folks miss... "Rules and precepts" are useful tools, but not the "be-all, end-all" factors in creative expression. There comes a point when you internalize all that stuff and it stews around in your head until you are presented with scenes that benefit from bits and pieces of it, and perhaps from an intuitive exception or two. I don't put too much emphasis on any one structural guideline. It's like being a craftsperson in any field, you have a tool set. Each tool in the set is good for something. You learn how to use it properly. Then maybe a particular scene requires (or "enjoys" combining several ways of thinking you had not yet associated as complementary in some way. Along that path, you break a rule or three, and the result is mesmerizing in surprising ways.

It's like musical composition. Certain musicians have an uncanny knack of combining multiple genres together into a new structural form. It retains elements of the old genres, yet has a characteristic sound and approach all its own. It works precisely because of the blending of styles, and the combining and breaking of multiple rules or… (ahem) precepts. Jazz and progressive rock ensembles have done it time and again.

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Apr 13, 2024 21:52:16   #
User ID
 
Vault wrote:
My exact thought


Thaank you !

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Apr 13, 2024 21:55:56   #
User ID
 
anotherview wrote:
I stand by this observation from study and practice: "Overall, effective image composition remains integral to a worthy photograph."

Observations are not evidence. Your pix would acoarst serve as the solid evidence. Reviewing your Gallery pix does show that you excercise your precepts.

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Apr 13, 2024 22:05:12   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
I'll let another source discuss the central importance of effective image composition: https://www.adobe.com/creativecloud/photography/discover/photo-composition.html[quote=burkphoto]

Earlier, I had this to say as well, rounding my experience, study, and practice: "Overall, effective image composition remains integral to a worthy photograph."

In the dictionary, I found my preferred definition of "precept": It "commonly suggests something advisory and not obligatory communicated typically through teaching." I mean this looser sense of the term "precept."

I end by noting that the field of photography has room for all commers.
JohnSwanda wrote:
Effective composition is certainly important. I think the negative responses are to the use of the word 'precepts", which is an even stronger word than "rules". Some photographers have a natural ability to compose photographs without using rules or precepts, which can become cliches.

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Apr 13, 2024 22:12:03   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Thanks for your kind words and for viewing my gallery. For clarity, let me say I did not intend to equate observation with evidence.
User ID wrote:
Observations are not evidence. Your pix would acoarst serve as the solid evidence. Reviewing your Gallery pix does show that you excercise your precepts.

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Apr 14, 2024 11:59:08   #
Tommg
 
Thanks for the information, didn't know that??

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Apr 14, 2024 14:03:58   #
RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri
 
Tommg wrote:
Thanks for the information, didn't know that??


Didn't know what?

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Apr 14, 2024 16:37:32   #
xt2 Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
anotherview wrote:
You will become a photographer when you have mastered the precepts of image composition.


Some folks have far too much time on their hands…

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Apr 15, 2024 08:59:32   #
User ID
 
Tommg wrote:
Thanks for the information, didn't know that??

Youre wecome.

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