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Apr 12, 2024 13:49:49   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
What a bunch of baloney... An official who WE elected said the Eclipse was caused by climate change... Another long term lifer in congress said the moon was primarily gaseous.. We have to LISTEN to our ELECTED reps. whom we have faith in to lead us...

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Apr 12, 2024 14:19:24   #
srg
 
kpmac wrote:
No one ever mentions that water vapor is a much more insidious greenhouse gas than Co2. Why don't we study that for a while?


Clouds kill?

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Apr 12, 2024 14:36:56   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
MrBob wrote:
What a bunch of baloney... An official who WE elected said the Eclipse was caused by climate change... Another long term lifer in congress said the moon was primarily gaseous.. We have to LISTEN to our ELECTED reps. whom we have faith in to lead us...


Better to listen to scientists at NOAA, NASA, NCDC, NCAR, etc. who actually have the facts and the education/experience to analyze them

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Apr 12, 2024 14:42:47   #
CLR Loc: MI
 

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Apr 12, 2024 14:54:04   #
Sirsnapalot Loc: Hammond, Louisiana
 
TriX wrote:
Inconvenient facts


I prefer to believe scientists who are not influenced by political money that aren’t afraid of being punished for their honesty.

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Apr 12, 2024 14:59:26   #
Nodpete Loc: Naperville, IL
 
Found this on another site, but it says it all.

"I TRIED TO FOLLOW THE SCIENCE,
BUT IT WAS SIMPLY NOT THERE.
I THEN FOLLOWED THE MONEY,
THAT'S WHERE I FOUND THE SCIENCE"

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Apr 12, 2024 15:11:49   #
M1911 Loc: DFW Metromess
 
I just wish all these climate activists and scientists would tell me what the ideal temperature for this rock is supposed to be! It seems like we are trying to get somewhere but the where isn't known.

As long as the goal isn't stated they can continue getting funded for their science.

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Apr 12, 2024 16:00:02   #
Sirsnapalot Loc: Hammond, Louisiana
 
Carl S wrote:
Here is another discussion about climate change from 'real' scientists who believe that the subject is not settled! Well worth viewing.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2024/03/20/climate-the-movie-watch-here/



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Apr 12, 2024 16:10:04   #
ecblackiii Loc: Maryland
 
M1911 wrote:
I just wish all these climate activists and scientists would tell me what the ideal temperature for this rock is supposed to be! It seems like we are trying to get somewhere but the where isn't known.

As long as the goal isn't stated they can continue getting funded for their science.



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Apr 12, 2024 16:34:18   #
ecblackiii Loc: Maryland
 
TriX wrote:
Inconvenient facts


Notice that all the graphs displayed show only very recent times (roughly from 1960 onward) that are interpreted to support a crisis narrative, not long-term periods of the Earth's 4.5 billion years of history. They all conceal the fact that CO2 has been as much as 10 times higher in the distant past than it currently is. And the world did not end! They ignore the historical scientific record that actually shows inconsequential temperature change from 300 years ago. And they conceal the fact that the temperatures selected for "climate" studies are taken within large cities, which are "heat islands" that average several degrees hotter (and increasing over time) than in the rural countryside that constitutes the vast majority of the Earth's surface. Finally, they don't show NASA's satellite records that show temperature increases over the oceans are not increasing in relation to land temperatures. If atmospheric CO2 were the climate driver, they would be increasing equally.

Indeed, the "facts" are quite different from what the climate industry and power-centric governments want us to believe. We are being fed only the propaganda intended to create an "existential crisis" that requires massive government expansion and control.

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Apr 12, 2024 16:41:35   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
andesbill wrote:
Since we started burning fossil fuels in earnest, the CO2 and the temperature have risen in lock step. The world is hotter today than at any time since the CO2 was this high, a long, long, time ago.
The hotter temperatures are killing living things, destroying the environment, and exacerbating weather extremes, such as heat waves, hurricanes, tornadoes, etc.
CO2 is a proven green house gas. CO2 is produced by burning fossil fuels. CO2 is a waste product, it’s garbage. Why do people have trouble understanding that just like with household garbage and with sewage, we have to clean it up or it will sicken us?
Why do morons like that Greek jerk, think that it’s ok not to clean up after ourselves? Do you leave garbage all over your house? Do you use your bathtub for sewage? I’ve known people who have done both. You wouldn’t want to walk into those apartments (they were junkies).
Let’s just clean it up, because it’s the right thing to do.
Since we started burning fossil fuels in earnest, ... (show quote)


What a load of poppycock BS nonsense. The Earth is not getting hotter, It’s just staying warmer longer. By the way CO2 is not a waste product, It is a nutrient.

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Apr 12, 2024 17:15:17   #
Sirsnapalot Loc: Hammond, Louisiana
 
ecblackiii wrote:
Notice that all the graphs displayed show only very recent times (roughly from 1960 onward) that are interpreted to support a crisis narrative, not long-term periods of the Earth's 4.5 billion years of history. They all conceal the fact that CO2 has been as much as 10 times higher in the distant past than it currently is. And the world did not end! They ignore the historical scientific record that actually shows inconsequential temperature change from 300 years ago. And they conceal the fact that the temperatures selected for "climate" studies are taken within large cities, which are "heat islands" that average several degrees hotter (and increasing over time) than in the rural countryside that constitutes the vast majority of the Earth's surface. Finally, they don't show NASA's satellite records that show temperature increases over the oceans are not increasing in relation to land temperatures. If atmospheric CO2 were the climate driver, they would be increasing equally.

Indeed, the "facts" are quite different from what the climate industry and power-centric governments want us to believe. We are being fed only the propaganda intended to create an "existential crisis" that requires massive government expansion and control.
Notice that all the graphs displayed show only ver... (show quote)



Well stated, What the powers to be hate most is that we all know the truth, only the few brain dead CNN type viewer still cling to their corrupt narrative.

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Apr 12, 2024 19:42:59   #
srg
 
Sirsnapalot wrote:
Well stated, What the powers to be hate most is that we all know the truth, only the few brain dead CNN type viewer still cling to their corrupt narrative.


For the love of god. Please PLEASE, try to influence your grandkids NOT to do well in school. Because if they become interested in knowledge and facts they will surely become liberal. Only the dumb and uneducated should be considered to have the correct opinions on anything. It's obvious you did not do well in school.

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Apr 12, 2024 19:50:01   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Sirsnapalot wrote:
I prefer to believe scientists who are not influenced by political money that aren’t afraid of being punished for their honesty.


That would be 99.5% of the REAL climate scientists that work for Universities, National Labs, NOAA, NASA, NCDC (National Climatic Data Center), NCAR (National Climate & Atmospheric Research), who have the best tools in the world at their disposal. I’m guessing that you don’t realize that after nuclear energy, the next largest use of supercomputers in the world is climate modeling. These people are academics, not political hacks like the 0.5% you’ve based your post on who are trying to make $ pn selling conspiracy theories.

Honestly, I’m finding it hard to believe that a rational person believes these conspiracy theories instead of the vast majority of the world’s scientists. Try going to sites like NOAA and NASA that actually have the REAL data, directly from satellites that I posted above. How do you explain those FACTs? One big conspiracy among all the world’s scientists? Do you really believe that?

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Apr 12, 2024 20:03:20   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
ecblackiii wrote:
Notice that all the graphs displayed show only very recent times (roughly from 1960 onward) that are interpreted to support a crisis narrative, not long-term periods of the Earth's 4.5 billion years of history. They all conceal the fact that CO2 has been as much as 10 times higher in the distant past than it currently is. And the world did not end! They ignore the historical scientific record that actually shows inconsequential temperature change from 300 years ago. And they conceal the fact that the temperatures selected for "climate" studies are taken within large cities, which are "heat islands" that average several degrees hotter (and increasing over time) than in the rural countryside that constitutes the vast majority of the Earth's surface. Finally, they don't show NASA's satellite records that show temperature increases over the oceans are not increasing in relation to land temperatures. If atmospheric CO2 were the climate driver, they would be increasing equally.

Indeed, the "facts" are quite different from what the climate industry and power-centric governments want us to believe. We are being fed only the propaganda intended to create an "existential crisis" that requires massive government expansion and control.
Notice that all the graphs displayed show only ver... (show quote)

Certainly it has been higher, and the world was a very different place - much of the east coast was underwater - want to go there again?

The graphs are focused on the last hundred years, when the amount of automobiles and use of electricity (generated by fossil fuels) has asymptoted in the industrial age. Can you read the graphs? Do you think the data is false?

No, they are not taken only in “hot cities”. And if you look at the actual data, the ocean temperature IS rising. As a result, the ice packs ARE melting (look at the graphs). If you want real data, go to NOAA and NASA and look at the data directly from the satellites. There you can find all the data you want from rural areas and the oceans - the satellites don’t discriminate.

And no, the historical record is not ignored. Go to NCDC and look at the historical record - they are the largest repository of weather data in the world.

Get some real facts. I hope you’re too intelligent to parrot this hocus pocus and conspiracy theories. We’ll see.

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