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Apr 11, 2024 12:29:19   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
Improving the image that comes out of the camera has been an important part of photography since it was invented.



Isn't what all the options and controls in editors are for?

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Apr 11, 2024 12:39:17   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
Longshadow wrote:
Seems like it would be part of the "final creation process".
So someone doing extensive post work because they desire to do so is not a photographer?

Your opinion/perception I suppose......


Everything I post is my opinion based on my perception! I don't expect everyone to agree! But no, NOT not a photographer, just not a very good photographer. But only if one does extensive PP because they "need to" not because they "desire to" There is a difference!
It's that "final creation process" that is the sticky wicket I suppose.

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Apr 11, 2024 12:44:44   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Retired CPO wrote:
Everything I post is my opinion based on my perception! I don't expect everyone to agree! But no, NOT not a photographer, just not a very good photographer. But only if one does extensive PP because they "need to" not because they "desire to" There is a difference!
It's that "final creation process" that is the sticky wicket I suppose.

Haha, the "need" can come from desire.....

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Apr 11, 2024 12:52:01   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
Improving the image that comes out of the camera has been an important part of photography since it was invented.


This is true. But where is the line between "improving" and "manufacturing"? There must be one somewhere.

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Apr 11, 2024 12:54:56   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Retired CPO wrote:
This is true. But where is the line between "improving" and "manufacturing"? There must be one somewhere.

Yea, humans like to put "lines" in things....
Divide things into categories.
Group things.

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Apr 11, 2024 13:02:29   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
Retired CPO wrote:
This is true. But where is the line between "improving" and "manufacturing"? There must be one somewhere.


No need for a line. Photos have also been "manufactured" since the beginnings of photography. It didn't start with digital.

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Apr 11, 2024 13:07:23   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
No need for a line. Photos have also been "manufactured" since the beginnings of photography. It didn't start with digital.


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Apr 11, 2024 13:17:51   #
BebuLamar
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
No need for a line. Photos have also been "manufactured" since the beginnings of photography. It didn't start with digital.


Aha! Ansel Adams said he made the photographs. I think make and manufacture have the same meaning right?

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Apr 11, 2024 13:23:18   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Aha! Ansel Adams said he made the photographs. I think make and manufacture have the same meaning right?


I assumed that Retired CPO meant by "manufactured" some kind of composite or items added to or removed from the original.

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Apr 11, 2024 13:23:20   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Aha! Ansel Adams said he made the photographs. I think make and manufacture have the same meaning right?

They do to me.

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Apr 11, 2024 13:44:02   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Sober reply. Start here: https://www.adobe.com/creativecloud/photography/discover/photo-composition.html

As well, bear in mind that the photographer Minor White once said that learning photography takes ten years.

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Apr 11, 2024 14:08:34   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
anotherview wrote:
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As well, bear in mind that the photographer Minor White once said that learning photography takes ten years.

Longer for some, shorter for others.
Then there are probably a few where it might take a lifetime.

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Apr 11, 2024 14:18:31   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Mastery involves striving and dedication over time with an object in mind, no matter the field.

As a visual artform, photography includes its own measures for producing a worthy photograph, one measure being image composition.

One help in this endeavor tells the student of photography that he or she has neared competence -- seeing photographs everywhere.

My advice here from experience: Continually take photographs. Learn from one's mistakes and succusses.

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Apr 11, 2024 14:26:27   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
As experienced photographers have noted, the advent of digital photography has shortened the time for learning photography due to the instant feedback it offers to the photographer.

I referred to the observation of Minor White for the student of photography to take heart, to keep at it.

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Apr 11, 2024 14:31:08   #
Real Nikon Lover Loc: Simi Valley, CA
 
I'm accused of mastering all the time.

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