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Dec 26, 2012 16:58:01   #
pigpen
 
Bruce with a Canon wrote:
jazzplayer wrote:
For nearly my whole life (mid-50s born & mid-50s now), I have heard over and over from my parents' "Greatest Generation" how this or that and pretty much every social ill is the fault of "them damn hippies" and how their permissive values have ruined what would of course otherwise have been our perfect society. As somebody who just barely squeaked into the tail end of the hippie "movement" I have watched with some objectivity and hopefully learned a thing or two from my older hippie-aged siblings.

But now, here, even today, I find some old jerkoff moaning about how them damned hippies just messed everything up, again, and I feel compelled to finally call bullshit on that whole idea.

Yes, you guys did a fine job on Hitler and all, but are also the same morons that elected Nixon, Reagan and the Bushes, who were truly much more responsible for today's problems both fiscal and social than any marginal movement led by pop musicians could ever have been.

Yes, my parents are still alive, and my dad still asks me when am I going to cut my hair and quit playing rock and roll and get a real job. And I still either ignore him or tell him to bugger off. Some things never change...

(In case you couldn't tell, I, like others, find the Hog a convenient place to occasionally open the steam valve a bit... :wink: )
For nearly my whole life (mid-50s born & mid-5... (show quote)


Aren't the enlightend folks such as yourselves the ones that elected moral reprobates like JFK? LBJ? Carter? Clinton and Obama?
These folks did more to destroy this country than any foreign nation. Save for JFK who was a fiscal conservative, Who at least had some idea how economics work.
LBJ did more to harm the black comunity than the KKK could have dreamed o fwith his " Great Society".
Silly democrats appluad the greatest failures of political history.
Despite the historical record that lowering taxes increases economic activity and more people contribute to the US treasury, Democrats can't help but to continue the war on sucess, the war on the people that risk their capitol and livelyhood.
Democrats and their philosophy or equal outcome is doomed to failure and they simply lack the wit to see it.
Lower taxes increase income to washington, it works every time it is tried. Yet Obama and his ilk continue on this irelevent war on "the rich"
"The Rich" are the people that produce jobs.
No POOR people hire anyone.
Govenrment spending has been out of controlm for decades, Now with Obama record od spending this country in to the poor house makes it obvious to the casual observer he has no plans for any economic recovery.
IF we end up like Greece, Italy, Spain he will be happy.
Record dependance on the government is his goal and he is well on the way tom achieving this.
More people than ever depoend on government checks and the working class that foots the bill are getting smaller and smaller.
You democrats wanted change, you got it.
Merry Christmas
quote=jazzplayer For nearly my whole life (mid-50... (show quote)


Benjamin Franklin said it something like this: When the people find that they are able to vote themselves money, the republic is doomed.

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Dec 26, 2012 17:09:51   #
Timaloha Loc: Cape Cod, MA USA
 
pigpen wrote:
Bruce with a Canon wrote:
jazzplayer wrote:
For nearly my whole life (mid-50s born & mid-50s now), I have heard over and over from my parents' "Greatest Generation" how this or that and pretty much every social ill is the fault of "them damn hippies" and how their permissive values have ruined what would of course otherwise have been our perfect society. As somebody who just barely squeaked into the tail end of the hippie "movement" I have watched with some objectivity and hopefully learned a thing or two from my older hippie-aged siblings.

But now, here, even today, I find some old jerkoff moaning about how them damned hippies just messed everything up, again, and I feel compelled to finally call bullshit on that whole idea.

Yes, you guys did a fine job on Hitler and all, but are also the same morons that elected Nixon, Reagan and the Bushes, who were truly much more responsible for today's problems both fiscal and social than any marginal movement led by pop musicians could ever have been.

Yes, my parents are still alive, and my dad still asks me when am I going to cut my hair and quit playing rock and roll and get a real job. And I still either ignore him or tell him to bugger off. Some things never change...

(In case you couldn't tell, I, like others, find the Hog a convenient place to occasionally open the steam valve a bit... :wink: )
For nearly my whole life (mid-50s born & mid-5... (show quote)


Aren't the enlightend folks such as yourselves the ones that elected moral reprobates like JFK? LBJ? Carter? Clinton and Obama?
These folks did more to destroy this country than any foreign nation. Save for JFK who was a fiscal conservative, Who at least had some idea how economics work.
LBJ did more to harm the black comunity than the KKK could have dreamed o fwith his " Great Society".
Silly democrats appluad the greatest failures of political history.
Despite the historical record that lowering taxes increases economic activity and more people contribute to the US treasury, Democrats can't help but to continue the war on sucess, the war on the people that risk their capitol and livelyhood.
Democrats and their philosophy or equal outcome is doomed to failure and they simply lack the wit to see it.
Lower taxes increase income to washington, it works every time it is tried. Yet Obama and his ilk continue on this irelevent war on "the rich"
"The Rich" are the people that produce jobs.
No POOR people hire anyone.
Govenrment spending has been out of controlm for decades, Now with Obama record od spending this country in to the poor house makes it obvious to the casual observer he has no plans for any economic recovery.
IF we end up like Greece, Italy, Spain he will be happy.
Record dependance on the government is his goal and he is well on the way tom achieving this.
More people than ever depoend on government checks and the working class that foots the bill are getting smaller and smaller.
You democrats wanted change, you got it.
Merry Christmas
quote=jazzplayer For nearly my whole life (mid-50... (show quote)


Benjamin Franklin said it something like this: When the people find that they are able to vote themselves money, the republic is doomed.
quote=Bruce with a Canon quote=jazzplayer For ne... (show quote)


Ben Franklin never said that. That quote is called "The Tytler Calumny," and is attributed to 19th Century Englishman Alexander Tytler, although there is no actual evidence that Tytler actually said it.
http://davidbrin.blogspot.com/2012/10/the-tytler-insult-is-democracy-hopeless.html

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Dec 26, 2012 17:12:08   #
pigpen
 
Timaloha wrote:
pigpen wrote:
Bruce with a Canon wrote:
jazzplayer wrote:
For nearly my whole life (mid-50s born & mid-50s now), I have heard over and over from my parents' "Greatest Generation" how this or that and pretty much every social ill is the fault of "them damn hippies" and how their permissive values have ruined what would of course otherwise have been our perfect society. As somebody who just barely squeaked into the tail end of the hippie "movement" I have watched with some objectivity and hopefully learned a thing or two from my older hippie-aged siblings.

But now, here, even today, I find some old jerkoff moaning about how them damned hippies just messed everything up, again, and I feel compelled to finally call bullshit on that whole idea.

Yes, you guys did a fine job on Hitler and all, but are also the same morons that elected Nixon, Reagan and the Bushes, who were truly much more responsible for today's problems both fiscal and social than any marginal movement led by pop musicians could ever have been.

Yes, my parents are still alive, and my dad still asks me when am I going to cut my hair and quit playing rock and roll and get a real job. And I still either ignore him or tell him to bugger off. Some things never change...

(In case you couldn't tell, I, like others, find the Hog a convenient place to occasionally open the steam valve a bit... :wink: )
For nearly my whole life (mid-50s born & mid-5... (show quote)


Aren't the enlightend folks such as yourselves the ones that elected moral reprobates like JFK? LBJ? Carter? Clinton and Obama?
These folks did more to destroy this country than any foreign nation. Save for JFK who was a fiscal conservative, Who at least had some idea how economics work.
LBJ did more to harm the black comunity than the KKK could have dreamed o fwith his " Great Society".
Silly democrats appluad the greatest failures of political history.
Despite the historical record that lowering taxes increases economic activity and more people contribute to the US treasury, Democrats can't help but to continue the war on sucess, the war on the people that risk their capitol and livelyhood.
Democrats and their philosophy or equal outcome is doomed to failure and they simply lack the wit to see it.
Lower taxes increase income to washington, it works every time it is tried. Yet Obama and his ilk continue on this irelevent war on "the rich"
"The Rich" are the people that produce jobs.
No POOR people hire anyone.
Govenrment spending has been out of controlm for decades, Now with Obama record od spending this country in to the poor house makes it obvious to the casual observer he has no plans for any economic recovery.
IF we end up like Greece, Italy, Spain he will be happy.
Record dependance on the government is his goal and he is well on the way tom achieving this.
More people than ever depoend on government checks and the working class that foots the bill are getting smaller and smaller.
You democrats wanted change, you got it.
Merry Christmas
quote=jazzplayer For nearly my whole life (mid-50... (show quote)


Benjamin Franklin said it something like this: When the people find that they are able to vote themselves money, the republic is doomed.
quote=Bruce with a Canon quote=jazzplayer For ne... (show quote)


Ben Franklin never said that. That quote is called "The Tytler Calumny," and is attributed to 19th Century Englishman Alexander Tytler, although there is no actual evidence that Tytler actually said it.
http://davidbrin.blogspot.com/2012/10/the-tytler-insult-is-democracy-hopeless.html
quote=pigpen quote=Bruce with a Canon quote=jaz... (show quote)


Sorry, thought it was attributed to BF.

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Dec 26, 2012 17:36:58   #
Timaloha Loc: Cape Cod, MA USA
 
pigpen wrote:
Timaloha wrote:
pigpen wrote:
Bruce with a Canon wrote:
jazzplayer wrote:
For nearly my whole life (mid-50s born & mid-50s now), I have heard over and over from my parents' "Greatest Generation" how this or that and pretty much every social ill is the fault of "them damn hippies" and how their permissive values have ruined what would of course otherwise have been our perfect society. As somebody who just barely squeaked into the tail end of the hippie "movement" I have watched with some objectivity and hopefully learned a thing or two from my older hippie-aged siblings.

But now, here, even today, I find some old jerkoff moaning about how them damned hippies just messed everything up, again, and I feel compelled to finally call bullshit on that whole idea.

Yes, you guys did a fine job on Hitler and all, but are also the same morons that elected Nixon, Reagan and the Bushes, who were truly much more responsible for today's problems both fiscal and social than any marginal movement led by pop musicians could ever have been.

Yes, my parents are still alive, and my dad still asks me when am I going to cut my hair and quit playing rock and roll and get a real job. And I still either ignore him or tell him to bugger off. Some things never change...

(In case you couldn't tell, I, like others, find the Hog a convenient place to occasionally open the steam valve a bit... :wink: )
For nearly my whole life (mid-50s born & mid-5... (show quote)


Aren't the enlightend folks such as yourselves the ones that elected moral reprobates like JFK? LBJ? Carter? Clinton and Obama?
These folks did more to destroy this country than any foreign nation. Save for JFK who was a fiscal conservative, Who at least had some idea how economics work.
LBJ did more to harm the black comunity than the KKK could have dreamed o fwith his " Great Society".
Silly democrats appluad the greatest failures of political history.
Despite the historical record that lowering taxes increases economic activity and more people contribute to the US treasury, Democrats can't help but to continue the war on sucess, the war on the people that risk their capitol and livelyhood.
Democrats and their philosophy or equal outcome is doomed to failure and they simply lack the wit to see it.
Lower taxes increase income to washington, it works every time it is tried. Yet Obama and his ilk continue on this irelevent war on "the rich"
"The Rich" are the people that produce jobs.
No POOR people hire anyone.
Govenrment spending has been out of controlm for decades, Now with Obama record od spending this country in to the poor house makes it obvious to the casual observer he has no plans for any economic recovery.
IF we end up like Greece, Italy, Spain he will be happy.
Record dependance on the government is his goal and he is well on the way tom achieving this.
More people than ever depoend on government checks and the working class that foots the bill are getting smaller and smaller.
You democrats wanted change, you got it.
Merry Christmas
quote=jazzplayer For nearly my whole life (mid-50... (show quote)


Benjamin Franklin said it something like this: When the people find that they are able to vote themselves money, the republic is doomed.
quote=Bruce with a Canon quote=jazzplayer For ne... (show quote)


Ben Franklin never said that. That quote is called "The Tytler Calumny," and is attributed to 19th Century Englishman Alexander Tytler, although there is no actual evidence that Tytler actually said it.
http://davidbrin.blogspot.com/2012/10/the-tytler-insult-is-democracy-hopeless.html
quote=pigpen quote=Bruce with a Canon quote=jaz... (show quote)


Sorry, thought it was attributed to BF.
quote=Timaloha quote=pigpen quote=Bruce with a ... (show quote)


No harm, no foul.

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Dec 26, 2012 18:48:38   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
Danilo wrote:
dirtpusher wrote:
Bruce you heared that song an dance the rich provides lithe jobs so long you actually believe it. Human resources an department of labor has stats that prove that an out an out bulls_ _it burecatitic propaganda politically lie. New stats show 97.9% of jobs are provided by small businesses. Look it up an quit spreading bullshit.


And who, exactly, Mr. Pusher, do you think OWNS these small businesses? Your lower class, or getting-lower-middle-class?


they are all INDEPENDENT small businesses they are not part of a conglomerate! in the research. sorry to burst the bubble you were heading too. in the study it showed the only area BIG business excelled over small business in hiring was in the tech. world. try turning rush lenbaugh off he is a republican paid propaganda junk radio jockey.

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Dec 27, 2012 20:53:16   #
sinatraman Loc: Vero Beach Florida, Earth,alpha quaudrant
 
unlike CBS, ABC, NBC,msnbc, the new York times who are democratic paid spin doctors for Barry and the Bolshevik junk media jockeys. Capitalists (or the rich) provide the money(capital) needed for smallbusineess to start, medium business to reinvest in their companies and grow, and big businesses to spend on R+D so they can stay competitive. The middle class provides money through their retirement funds, and by purchasing insurance, which allows the insurance companies to loan money and invest. Government does not produce one job that contributes to the nations GNP. Yes some government jobs are essential (military, police, fire, CIA NSF etc) but many are not.

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Dec 28, 2012 20:11:43   #
imntrt1 Loc: St. Louis
 
dirtpusher wrote:
An the hippies were correct on vietnam. The big insurgent of american troops was because of flying fish in gulf of tonkin hitting the hull of a u.s. Ship. If don't believe it go utube an watch robert macnameria admit it. An cost over ,, 50,000+ boys lives.


I don't care what anyone's views are regarding Viet Nam and that war, but the treatment of returning soldiers by the public at large was something that we as a nation should be most ashamed of.

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Dec 28, 2012 23:45:03   #
RMM Loc: Suburban New York
 
imntrt1 wrote:
I don't care what anyone's views are regarding Viet Nam and that war, but the treatment of returning soldiers by the public at large was something that we as a nation should be most ashamed of.

i interviewed a Vietnam vet for a job, and one of our other managers also interviewed him. When he came back, he said the other manager had given him a hard time about his service. I hired him, and had a few words with the other guy. I was against the war, but not the people who served in it.

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Dec 28, 2012 23:57:23   #
Bmac Loc: Long Island, NY
 
RichieC wrote:
dixiemegapixel wrote:
Yeah, you had to be there. My thirty years of service kinda clouds my memory. Or maybe I was trying to keep it light. Facts were, it was the defacing of my country's flag to express his first amendment rights, and a little bit as a result of his groups' spitting and "babykiller" name calling when we refused to give him any money.

In retrospect, he may have been representative of a generation of righteous, self-important, unemployed, and entitlement-craving liberal zealots.

I fell into the hippie movement to a degree also, but, like many, considered it a fad, more than a lifestyle.
Yeah, you had to be there. My thirty years of ser... (show quote)


Thanks for both your actions..... I would have watched the door for you.
quote=dixiemegapixel Yeah, you had to be there. ... (show quote)


That makes two of us watching that door. 8-)

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Dec 29, 2012 00:17:11   #
imntrt1 Loc: St. Louis
 
RMM wrote:
imntrt1 wrote:
I don't care what anyone's views are regarding Viet Nam and that war, but the treatment of returning soldiers by the public at large was something that we as a nation should be most ashamed of.

i interviewed a Vietnam vet for a job, and one of our other managers also interviewed him. When he came back, he said the other manager had given him a hard time about his service. I hired him, and had a few words with the other guy. I was against the war, but not the people who served in it.
quote=imntrt1 I don't care what anyone's views ar... (show quote)


Good for you...I, for one, appreciate that. I am retired and ride motorcycles for fun and relaxation. I am a member of several groups, one of which is the Patriot Guard Riders. PGR members escort deceased veterans at their funerals and stand flag lines. Many PGR members are View Nam Vets, or Viet Nam Era Vets and the very purpose of the organization, or at least one of the main ones, is to offer support to vets and their families during the loss of their loved ones. I hear many times over that most members feel very strongly about preventing a repeat of the homecoming they received when returning from Viet Nam. We often escort vets returning from the middle east who are coming home bearing life altering injuries. We meet them at airports and give them motorcycle escorts to their homes..we even greet entire deployed units upon their return. We show them the respect we never got.

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Dec 29, 2012 01:57:42   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
Like my self i don't see the advatage of people wanting to remember any the shit. I am dam glad to be out of that shit hole place. Donot care to be remkndeD of that place or anything have to do with it. When i walked away from it i walked away from it. I really don't think half of these guys wearing vet jackets an hats honnoring that misrepresented war was ever in the shit hole hell some of us went through. I for the life of me can not figure out why we want to give honor to another senseless war that was waged for profit selling guns an choppers why. Some close buddys are on that wall i been hauled out by choppers throwen red rain back at bunch of dam gooks. I'd almost want to bet they ain't 5 people can tell me what is ment by red rain is here on this thread. I miss the guys hat i got to know true but don't really appreciate bunch wierdos wearing hats an coats reminding me of shit i would dearly love to forget like my bare hands trying to hold a guys guts from falling an touching dirt., don't think most of you have any idea know what that is like to be reinded of . Iyeah i became a hipie deug addict for years to try forget. Some drugs just made it worse weed was my drug an still is.

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Dec 29, 2012 13:13:10   #
BuddyLars Loc: Rockton, Illinois
 
RMM wrote:
imntrt1 wrote:
I don't care what anyone's views are regarding Viet Nam and that war, but the treatment of returning soldiers by the public at large was something that we as a nation should be most ashamed of.

i interviewed a Vietnam vet for a job, and one of our other managers also interviewed him. When he came back, he said the other manager had given him a hard time about his service. I hired him, and had a few words with the other guy. I was against the war, but not the people who served in it.
quote=imntrt1 I don't care what anyone's views ar... (show quote)

Thanks for standing up for one of our military.

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Dec 29, 2012 15:08:38   #
RMM Loc: Suburban New York
 
BuddyLars wrote:
Thanks for standing up for one of our military.

I'd love to take credit for doing something wonderful for an ex-serviceman, but I hired him because I thought he was the best-qualified for the job. His service had nothing to do with it. The only thing I'll take credit for is having a few words with the other manager because he was totally out of line. And I expected better of him.

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Dec 29, 2012 15:44:52   #
BuddyLars Loc: Rockton, Illinois
 
dirtpusher wrote:
i would dearly love to forget like my bare hands trying to hold a guys guts from falling an touching dirt., don't think most of you have any idea know what that is like to be reinded of .

In 1997 I found out I had Multiple Myeloma an incurable cancer of the blood. I was 40 and I went after the most aggressive treatment available. 5 months of chem. followed by Autogolus Stem Cell Transplant, same procedure as a bone marrow transplant. Went in late January 1998, came home early March 1998, back to work full-time April 1998. I was on a Myeloma email discussion group and became someone that others could write to, eventually I was asked to run the group and have full rights to the website. During this time I wrote a newsletter called "Multiple Myeloma Crapola" and I sent it for free, some gave me stamps or bought T-shirts that my neighbor made for the cause. After 2 years of running this I had to back out. Not because of my cancer burden, but because members of this group were not as fortunate as I was to continue living. Like you I wanted to forget because it was/is painful. Since reading your post I have made a decision and that is I am going back into the Myeloma community and share about my experience's and how I conduct myself as a human being.
I have so much to be thankful for but most of the time I feel guilty of still being alive. After my transplant I asked the Dr. to give me something of a time frame. "Expect 3 to 5 years of quality of Life" I decided to shoot for 5. Well I'm way past that and the way I look at it is, if I wake up in the morning, I'm going to work, and I'll work my ass off. I always strive to do better than my co-workers, they think I'm some kind of kiss-ass, cause they don't know my story. I wish I could be there at my funeral when they find out I've been battling cancer all this time and they battle with their poor life choices.

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Dec 29, 2012 15:49:00   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
BuddyLars wrote:
dirtpusher wrote:
i would dearly love to forget like my bare hands trying to hold a guys guts from falling an touching dirt., don't think most of you have any idea know what that is like to be reinded of .

In 1997 I found out I had Multiple Myeloma an incurable cancer of the blood. I was 40 and I went after the most aggressive treatment available. 5 months of chem. followed by Autogolus Stem Cell Transplant, same procedure as a bone marrow transplant. Went in late January 1998, came home early March 1998, back to work full-time April 1998. I was on a Myeloma email discussion group and became someone that others could write to, eventually I was asked to run the group and have full rights to the website. During this time I wrote a newsletter called "Multiple Myeloma Crapola" and I sent it for free, some gave me stamps or bought T-shirts that my neighbor made for the cause. After 2 years of running this I had to back out. Not because of my cancer burden, but because members of this group were not as fortunate as I was to continue living. Like you I wanted to forget because it was/is painful. Since reading your post I have made a decision and that is I am going back into the Myeloma community and share about my experience's and how I conduct myself as a human being.
I have so much to be thankful for but most of the time I feel guilty of still being alive. After my transplant I asked the Dr. to give me something of a time frame. "Expect 3 to 5 years of quality of Life" I decided to shoot for 5. Well I'm way past that and the way I look at it is, if I wake up in the morning, I'm going to work, and I'll work my ass off. I always strive to do better than my co-workers, they think I'm some kind of kiss-ass, cause they don't know my story. I wish I could be there at my funeral when they find out I've been battling cancer all this time and they battle with their poor life choices.
quote=dirtpusher i would dearly love to forget ... (show quote)


hey thats good an do you're best. thats all we got. is it from orange.

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