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Apr 2, 2024 07:59:06   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
travelwp wrote:
You said: "He is nowhere near the crime spree that Trump unleashed on this country"

I and others are looking for a specific example about a crime spree that was unleased on the United States.

Where have you been, living under a rock?

There are currently FOUR indictments with 88 counts against trump.

That doesn't include any additional open investigations looking into other potential changes against trump, including the most recent one of threatening President Biden with a repost of a video!

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Apr 2, 2024 09:00:14   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
mikey12654 wrote:
Both Trump & Putin are truly pro liars without question but between them I think Putin is smarter, he was a former KGB Intel Officer and I'm sure he easily played Trump. It would have been child's play for him when you consider how much of a narcissist and self-described genius Trump is, I wish I knew what Putin had/has on Trump that caused Trump to do all he could to stop the investigation of Russia-Gate by Mueller? Anyways, I just have an average IQ but I just wonder how freakin dumb someone has to be to believe & support Trump, does it have anything to do with how low America ranks in education compared to other countries?
Both Trump & Putin are truly pro liars without... (show quote)


Trump never ever talks issues in his campaign for presidency . What he does is to speak “ their”( cult members) language. That is the words of hate , division and anger. He tells “ them exactly what brings him adoration, Then he smiles and “ they “ cheer.

Have you ever seen trump trump tonight’s be actually meet the America people - otter than anyone that cheers him. ?

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Apr 2, 2024 10:37:18   #
travelwp Loc: New Jersey
 
[quote=Shutterbug1697]There are currently FOUR indictments with 88 counts against trump.[quote]


This is the question you answered: "I and others are looking for a specific example about a crime spree that was unleased on the United States"

Which of the four indictments describes a CRIME SPREE UNLEASED AGAINST THE UNITED STATES ?

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Apr 2, 2024 11:44:52   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
[quote=travelwp][quote=Shutterbug1697]There are currently FOUR indictments with 88 counts against trump.
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This is the question you answered: "I and others are looking for a specific example about a crime spree that was unleased on the United States"

Which of the four indictments describes a CRIME SPREE UNLEASED AGAINST THE UNITED STATES ?


The crime spree you are talking about is the rise in violent crimes combined with the Left Wing refusal to prosecute many violent crime perpetrators all across America. The lessening support for our police officers in America points out the Left Wing's desire to do all it can to push America toward a Socialist agenda while pissing and shitting on Americans in the process. Every bit of this is all the fault of the Left Wing in America as they do their best to divide Americans to create havoc.

Dennis

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Apr 2, 2024 11:53:13   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
DennyT wrote:
Trump never ever talks issues in his campaign for presidency . What he does is to speak “ their”( cult members) language. That is the words of hate , division and anger. He tells “ them exactly what brings him adoration, Then he smiles and “ they “ cheer.

Have you ever seen trump trump tonight’s be actually meet the America people - otter than anyone that cheers him. ?


Just look at your humorous post. How many times will you stutter, "trump trump"? Look at your sentence, "Have you ever seen trump trump tonight’s be actually meet the America people - otter than anyone that cheers him."

What the HELL are you talking about? I ask only because nobody on this forum could possibly have any understanding of what you mean. Otter????? Do you have any idea why you would bring up an otter in your sentence? Are we talking about otters here? Nice cute little animals and I would love to have a couple of otter pelts but those cute little critters have no place here in The Attic do they?

"trump trump tonight's be actually meet the America people", what on earth does that actually mean? Please do not deflect as you ALWAYS do. Answer the question. What the hell are you talking about? Do you even know? Any idea?

Thanks for the comedic routine denny. It does cheer me up and give me some humor to take with me throughout the day. But of course you realize The Attic is supposed to be somewhat of a serious place to visit. We can't laugh at you all the time. We do need some time for serious discussion. Perhaps you need to just sit out the rest of the century and let the grown ups talk.

Dennis

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Apr 2, 2024 12:49:59   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Thanks mikey for nothing more than bullshit lies from the Left. Trump is not a traitor any more than you think POS Biden might be. I think Biden is but have not once observed Trump do anything I felt was traitorous to this country.

It isn't Trump who tries to get rid of some Constitutional Amendments, not Trump who allowed a Chinese spy balloon to cross our entire country getting what they wanted before someone took action and shot it down, wasn't Trump who completely did away with the Trump plan of not allowing everybody on the planet make America their home while promising illegal aliens the Moon along with freebie housing, food, education, money and free medical benefits. No, that was your little pussy POS Biden who did all of that. It is your BIG DADDY Biden who is the traitor here but due to your Democratic Socialist Party bullshit you will continue to lie and accuse Trump of everything but the Lindberg kidnapping.

Dennis
Thanks mikey for nothing more than bullshit lies f... (show quote)


Trump wasn't born yet during the Lindbergh (it is Lindbergh) kidnapping. Haven't heard any speculation concerning Fred. Most likely you blame in on the "Biden family". Now, if there is a "Lindberg kidnapping" Trump was involved in, perhaps you could clue us in. It's not that I think he's above that, I just hadn't heard of it. You frequently seem to have information no one else in the whole country has heard of, so maybe you can fill us in.

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Apr 2, 2024 12:58:14   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
thom w wrote:
Trump wasn't born yet during the Lindbergh (it is Lindbergh) kidnapping. Haven't heard any speculation concerning Fred. Most likely you blame in on the "Biden family". Now, if there is a "Lindberg kidnapping" Trump was involved in, perhaps you could clue us in. It's not that I think he's above that, I just hadn't heard of it. You frequently seem to have information no one else in the whole country has heard of, so maybe you can fill us in.


Well little princess, you are back. Your lying corrupt posted bullshit was soon to become a distant memory. I would love to say I missed you but in your absence other newer Left Wing members have joined to keep your BS alive.

Now here’s where your consistent lying corrupt bullshit comes into play. Yes Trump most likely was not born yet so of course had no part in the Lindbergh kidnapping. But with all the Kangaroo Court bullshit you on the Left blame him for there is no reasonable expectation you would not blame him for the kidnapping.

I am not surprised with your lack of reading comprehension and lack of historical evidence you would have missed the point.

Welcome back waffle boy. I hope the mental institution cured you this time.

Dennis

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Apr 2, 2024 14:20:57   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
dennis2146 wrote:
The crime spree you are talking about is the rise in violent crimes combined with the Left Wing refusal to prosecute many violent crime perpetrators all across America. The lessening support for our police officers in America points out the Left Wing's desire to do all it can to push America toward a Socialist agenda while pissing and shitting on Americans in the process. Every bit of this is all the fault of the Left Wing in America as they do their best to divide Americans to create havoc.

Dennis
The crime spree you are talking about is the rise ... (show quote)


Dennis,
Please check your facts. The crime rate has actually gone down during the Biden administration, not up.
I think your MAGA hat may be too tight for your head.

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Apr 2, 2024 15:05:45   #
travelwp Loc: New Jersey
 
Frank T wrote:
Please check your facts. The crime rate has actually gone down during the Biden administration, not up.


Tell that to the family of the policeman who was recently murdered.

Tell that to the person who was thrown under a train in the subway.

Tell that to the family of the two year old who was shot.

Tell that to the numerous women who were punched in the face.


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Apr 2, 2024 15:50:35   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Just look at your humorous post. How many times will you stutter, "trump trump"? Look at your sentence, "Have you ever seen trump trump tonight’s be actually meet the America people - otter than anyone that cheers him."

What the HELL are you talking about? I ask only because nobody on this forum could possibly have any understanding of what you mean. Otter????? Do you have any idea why you would bring up an otter in your sentence? Are we talking about otters here? Nice cute little animals and I would love to have a couple of otter pelts but those cute little critters have no place here in The Attic do they?

"trump trump tonight's be actually meet the America people", what on earth does that actually mean? Please do not deflect as you ALWAYS do. Answer the question. What the hell are you talking about? Do you even know? Any idea?

Thanks for the comedic routine denny. It does cheer me up and give me some humor to take with me throughout the day. But of course you realize The Attic is supposed to be somewhat of a serious place to visit. We can't laugh at you all the time. We do need some time for serious discussion. Perhaps you need to just sit out the rest of the century and let the grown ups talk.

Dennis
Just look at your humorous post. How many times w... (show quote)


The attic a serious place ?? Hardly within you around.

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Apr 2, 2024 15:59:28   #
Triple G
 
travelwp wrote:
Tell that to the family of the policeman who was recently murdered.

Tell that to the person who was thrown under a train in the subway.

Tell that to the family of the two year old who was shot.

Tell that to the numerous women who were punched in the face.


.


There will always be victims and families as long as there is any crime. Sadly, nothing will make their situations any less painful.

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Apr 2, 2024 17:05:55   #
hondo812 Loc: Massachusetts
 
Frank T wrote:
The 2nd amendment doesn't say that they cant.


Not so fast.

https://www.jurist.org/news/2019/06/us-supreme-court-rules-in-favor-of-illegal-immigrant-in-possession-of-firearm/#

June 21, 2019 03:19:03 pm

The US Supreme Court held in a 7-2 decision on Friday that undocumented immigrants must know both that they are in the country illegally and that they belong to a class that is proscribed from possessing firearms to be prosecuted under federal law.

The petitioner, Hamid Mohamed Ahmed Ali Rehaif, whose F-1 student visa had expired after he was dismissed from Florida Institute of Technology for being academically ineligible, stayed in the country, rented a gun and purchased ammunition at a gun range. He was arrested after the FBI, responding to a tip, came to his hotel room and discovered the ammunition and was told by the petitioner that he indeed had fired a gun. A federal grand jury subsequently charged him under 18 USC §922(g), which prohibits a person who “is illegally or unlawfully in the United States” from possessing “any firearm or ammunition.” He was convicted by a jury in the US District Court for the Middle District of Florida and the Eleventh Circuit affirmed.

The majority opinion penned by Justice Breyer overturned the lower court, holding that Rehaif did not knowingly commit a crime when he participated in shooting activities at a gun range. The court explained that,

In a prosecution under §922(g) and §924(a)(2), the Government must prove both that the defendant knew he possessed a firearm and that he knew he belonged to the relevant category of persons barred from possessing a firearm.

The court additionally stated that there was “a longstanding presumption that Congress intends to require a defendant to possess a culpable mental state regarding “each of the statutory elements that criminalize otherwise innocent conduct,” and that “There is no convincing reason to depart from this presumption here.”

Justices Alito and Thomas in their dissent stated,

So today’s decision is no minor matter. And §922(g) is no minor provision. It probably does more to combat gun violence than any other federal law. It prohibits the possession of firearms by, among others, convicted felons, mentally ill persons found by a court to present a danger to the community, stalkers, harassers, perpetrators of domestic violence, and illegal aliens. Today’s decision will make it significantly harder to convict persons falling into some of these categories, and the decision will create a mountain of problems with respect to the thousands of prisoners currently serving terms for §922(g) convictions.

Justices Alito and Thomas acknowledge a student may not know that he was dismissed from school, but ask “Does that take him outside §922(g)(8)? Is it likely that this is what Congress wanted? That is most doubtful,” they argue.

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So, the question to be asked is does the illegal alien know that he is illegal?

I think any rational person would say that any "immigrant" that avoids detection crossing the border and does not notify the border authorities of his presence knows that he is here illegally.

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Apr 2, 2024 17:42:40   #
SteveS Loc: The US is my home.
 
hondo812 wrote:
Not so fast.

https://www.jurist.org/news/2019/06/us-supreme-court-rules-in-favor-of-illegal-immigrant-in-possession-of-firearm/#

June 21, 2019 03:19:03 pm

The US Supreme Court held in a 7-2 decision on Friday that undocumented immigrants must know both that they are in the country illegally and that they belong to a class that is proscribed from possessing firearms to be prosecuted under federal law.

The petitioner, Hamid Mohamed Ahmed Ali Rehaif, whose F-1 student visa had expired after he was dismissed from Florida Institute of Technology for being academically ineligible, stayed in the country, rented a gun and purchased ammunition at a gun range. He was arrested after the FBI, responding to a tip, came to his hotel room and discovered the ammunition and was told by the petitioner that he indeed had fired a gun. A federal grand jury subsequently charged him under 18 USC §922(g), which prohibits a person who “is illegally or unlawfully in the United States” from possessing “any firearm or ammunition.” He was convicted by a jury in the US District Court for the Middle District of Florida and the Eleventh Circuit affirmed.

The majority opinion penned by Justice Breyer overturned the lower court, holding that Rehaif did not knowingly commit a crime when he participated in shooting activities at a gun range. The court explained that,

In a prosecution under §922(g) and §924(a)(2), the Government must prove both that the defendant knew he possessed a firearm and that he knew he belonged to the relevant category of persons barred from possessing a firearm.

The court additionally stated that there was “a longstanding presumption that Congress intends to require a defendant to possess a culpable mental state regarding “each of the statutory elements that criminalize otherwise innocent conduct,” and that “There is no convincing reason to depart from this presumption here.”

Justices Alito and Thomas in their dissent stated,

So today’s decision is no minor matter. And §922(g) is no minor provision. It probably does more to combat gun violence than any other federal law. It prohibits the possession of firearms by, among others, convicted felons, mentally ill persons found by a court to present a danger to the community, stalkers, harassers, perpetrators of domestic violence, and illegal aliens. Today’s decision will make it significantly harder to convict persons falling into some of these categories, and the decision will create a mountain of problems with respect to the thousands of prisoners currently serving terms for §922(g) convictions.

Justices Alito and Thomas acknowledge a student may not know that he was dismissed from school, but ask “Does that take him outside §922(g)(8)? Is it likely that this is what Congress wanted? That is most doubtful,” they argue.

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So, the question to be asked is does the illegal alien know that he is illegal?

I think any rational person would say that any "immigrant" that avoids detection crossing the border and does not notify the border authorities of his presence knows that he is here illegally.
Not so fast. br br url https://www.jurist.org/ne... (show quote)


Makes you wonder what happened to:

In law, ignorantia juris non excusat (Latin for "ignorance of the law excuses not"),
[1] or ignorantia legis neminem excusat ("ignorance of law excuses no one"),
[2] is a legal principle holding that a person who is unaware of a law may not escape liability for violating that law merely by being unaware of its content.

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Apr 2, 2024 19:18:20   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Frank T wrote:
Dennis,
Please check your facts. The crime rate has actually gone down during the Biden administration, not up.
I think your MAGA hat may be too tight for your head.


Your BULLSHIT goes right along with the Biden administration telling us the economy is up, prices are down, America has the best military in the world and we are ready for anything. In other words you and the entire Left Wing are LYING as well as being CORRUPT.

I think your panties may be way too large since you have nothing to fill them but from the back side.

Dennis

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Apr 2, 2024 19:26:46   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Your BULLSHIT goes right along with the Biden administration telling us the economy is up, prices are down, America has the best military in the world and we are ready for anything. In other words you and the entire Left Wing are LYING as well as being CORRUPT.

I think your panties may be way too large since you have nothing to fill them but from the back side.

Dennis


Dennis
Are you still Angry that Andy wouldn't give you a bullet when you played Sherriff with the other kids?

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