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Mar 31, 2024 02:24:16   #
rcarol
 
rwoodvira wrote:
Perhaps they, like you, are looking at this through Rose-Colored glasses. If you want to do a little research, you might want to read this:
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/03/what-to-know-about-donald-trumps-new-60-bible/
According to the website for the Bible: "GodBlessTheUSABible.com is not political and has nothing to do with any political campaign. GodBlessTheUSABible.com is not owned, managed or controlled by Donald J. Trump, The Trump Organization, CIC Ventures LLC or any of their respective principals or affiliates."

CIC gets a royalty for the book. Guess who owns CIC?

In [Trump’s] financial disclosure released last year, he’s identified as the [CIC Ventures LLC’s] “manager, president, secretary and treasurer” and the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust is identified as a 100 percent owner of the business. The same entity also receives royalties from his book “A MAGA Journey” and speaking engagements.

In case it’s not already obvious: if you look at the company’s documents, you’ll find the principal address for CIC Ventures LLC is 3505 Summit Boulevard, West Palm Beach, Florida. That is a Trump golf course.

So contrary to the clergy, they don't know what they are talking about - Trump is profiting from the word of the Lord.

I note you didn't comment about a man who seeming violates the Ten Commandments pushing his Bible. Maybe he should take the time to read it and adjust his life accordingly.
Perhaps they, like you, are looking at this throug... (show quote)


"I note you didn't comment about a man who seeming violates the Ten Commandments pushing his Bible. Maybe he should take the time to read it and adjust his life accordingly." Let the man without sin caste the first stone. Would that be you?

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Mar 31, 2024 02:49:04   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
rwoodvira wrote:
I viewed with horror as a Christian that Trump is now hawking Bibles to help him finance his campaign. There’s a pretty good article that outlines a lot of my objections. Particularly as today is Good Friday, the remembrance of Jesus Christ’s Sacrifice to save we mortals from our sins:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/03/trump-god-bless-usa-bible-lee-greenwood-reviews-paper-moon-o-brother-where-art-thou.html

The article compared Trump to the Grifters of the 1930’s and movie characters. I think he is extremely accurate in his description.

The article quotes 2 Corintians 2:17 – Bible Reference https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=2+Corinthians+2%3A17

The passage states the following:
ESV For we are not, like so many, peddlers of God's word, but as men of sincerity, as commissioned by God, in the sight of God we speak in Christ. NIV Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit. On the contrary, in Christ we speak before God with sincerity, as those sent from God.

Simply again – you do not profit from our creator’s words, to do so is blasphemy.

I also find it ironic that Trump, who has violated at least three of the Ten Commandments is pushing his Bible:

Number 7: You shall not commit adultery – Stormy Daniels and the Playboy Bunny while his wife was carrying his youngest son. His past includes cheating on his first and second wife.

Number 8. You shall not steal – Fake charity, fake university, and the best one stiffing investors and contractors in Atlantic City.

Number 9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. In other words, you shall not lie. Trump continues to give falsehoods, including about the 2020 election.

And this guy, Trump, is pushing the word of God to make money – this is nothing short of shameful. He is not worthy of the Presidency.
I viewed with horror as a Christian that Trump is ... (show quote)



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Mar 31, 2024 07:43:53   #
steve03 Loc: long Lsland
 
Noted Trump said "profits from his Bible sales would not go to his Political campaign". What he did not say that the profits from such sales wouldn't go to his legal defense. These sales would allow right wing cult churches and similar groups to buy these Bibles in mass and not follow campaign laws. This is another Trump grift. So pony up your money this Easter for Trump.

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Mar 31, 2024 09:50:32   #
rwoodvira
 
rcarol wrote:
"I note you didn't comment about a man who seeming violates the Ten Commandments pushing his Bible. Maybe he should take the time to read it and adjust his life accordingly." Let the man without sin caste the first stone. Would that be you?


Believe or not I was waiting for that comment. Like everyone else, as a human, I have my share of sins, notably being pretty prideful and I really curse too much.

What I have never done is swindle people, lied seemingly with every breath, promoted a theory of election fraud which will cause every election going forward to be questioned, advised that US advisors are less reliable then comments from dictators from China and Russia, questioned the sacrifice of our military dead, caused people to die by having open air spreader events in a time of contagion, belittled women, or lied about making a profit while hawking bibles that promote my agenda.

Nor am I throwing stones physically at Trump, although given a chance I might throw a tomato or cabbage given half a chance.

I will remind you of the comments of former Chief of Staff General Kelly, who worked with Trump daily who said that Trump: "is the most flawed person” he's ever known. I dealt indirectly through clients with Trump when he was in Atlantic City - my opinion is that he is a scoundrel of the first order; and contrary to what many of you think of him that is he pushing a Republican agenda, Trump is for no one but himself and his family.

Next you may think I love Biden. Sorry, I think this election may be again which is "the lesser of two evils."

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Mar 31, 2024 10:07:09   #
rcarol
 
rwoodvira wrote:
Believe or not I was waiting for that comment. Like everyone else, as a human, I have my share of sins, notably being pretty prideful and I really curse too much.

What I have never done is swindle people, lied seemingly with every breath, promoted a theory of election fraud which will cause every election going forward to be questioned, advised that US advisors are less reliable then comments from dictators from China and Russia, questioned the sacrifice of our military dead, caused people to die by having open air spreader events in a time of contagion, belittled women, or lied about making a profit while hawking bibles that promote my agenda.

Nor am I throwing stones physically at Trump, although given a chance I might throw a tomato or cabbage given half a chance.

I will remind you of the comments of former Chief of Staff General Kelly, who worked with Trump daily who said that Trump: "is the most flawed person” he's ever known. I dealt indirectly through clients with Trump when he was in Atlantic City - my opinion is that he is a scoundrel of the first order; and contrary to what many of you think of him that is he pushing a Republican agenda, Trump is for no one but himself and his family.

Next you may think I love Biden. Sorry, I think this election may be again which is "the lesser of two evils."
Believe or not I was waiting for that comment. Lik... (show quote)


I'm in agreement with you more than you know, however, until he is actually convicted of the crimes he has ben accused, I'll protect his innocence.

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Mar 31, 2024 10:16:33   #
steve03 Loc: long Lsland
 
rcarol wrote:
I'm in agreement with you more than you know, however, until he is actually convicted of the crimes he has ben accused, I'll protect his innocence.


I normally would agree with you but in this case he is running not to Make America Great but in hopes of being able to pardon himself if elected. Why would he delay, delay and more delay in hopes the federal case against him would be after the election when he can just have the DOJ drop the cases.

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Mar 31, 2024 11:11:17   #
rcarol
 
steve03 wrote:
I normally would agree with you but in this case he is running not to Make America Great but in hopes of being able to pardon himself if elected. Why would he delay, delay and more delay in hopes the federal case against him would be after the election when he can just have the DOJ drop the cases.


Why would he not delay? This may be a tactic that you don't like but it's not illegal. I, personally, dislike the idea of using bankruptcy to shed debt obligations but it's not illegal and is a tactic often used. That doesn't mean I have to like it but I do have to accept it.

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Mar 31, 2024 18:37:05   #
One Rude Dawg Loc: Athol, ID
 
rwoodvira wrote:
I viewed with horror as a Christian that Trump is now hawking Bibles to help him finance his campaign. There’s a pretty good article that outlines a lot of my objections. Particularly as today is Good Friday, the remembrance of Jesus Christ’s Sacrifice to save we mortals from our sins:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/03/trump-god-bless-usa-bible-lee-greenwood-reviews-paper-moon-o-brother-where-art-thou.html

The article compared Trump to the Grifters of the 1930’s and movie characters. I think he is extremely accurate in his description.

The article quotes 2 Corintians 2:17 – Bible Reference https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=2+Corinthians+2%3A17

The passage states the following:
ESV For we are not, like so many, peddlers of God's word, but as men of sincerity, as commissioned by God, in the sight of God we speak in Christ. NIV Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit. On the contrary, in Christ we speak before God with sincerity, as those sent from God.

Simply again – you do not profit from our creator’s words, to do so is blasphemy.

I also find it ironic that Trump, who has violated at least three of the Ten Commandments is pushing his Bible:

Number 7: You shall not commit adultery – Stormy Daniels and the Playboy Bunny while his wife was carrying his youngest son. His past includes cheating on his first and second wife.

Number 8. You shall not steal – Fake charity, fake university, and the best one stiffing investors and contractors in Atlantic City.

Number 9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. In other words, you shall not lie. Trump continues to give falsehoods, including about the 2020 election.

And this guy, Trump, is pushing the word of God to make money – this is nothing short of shameful. He is not worthy of the Presidency.
I viewed with horror as a Christian that Trump is ... (show quote)


Next thing you know he will be walking on water and raising the dead. He is already "speaking in tongues". Watch him more spectacular " miracles" to come.

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Mar 31, 2024 18:40:50   #
One Rude Dawg Loc: Athol, ID
 
rcarol wrote:
I believe that it more likely that he has a bible in his house as opposed to you. I base my opinion on your comments over time.


A " Bible thumper trumper" and that's gospel. The whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help him Trump.

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Apr 2, 2024 05:22:49   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
rcarol wrote:
I listened to two clergy state that Trump was not hawking bibles but rather is advocating for their purchase.


Please explain the difference.

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Apr 2, 2024 05:33:11   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
rcarol wrote:
Why would he not delay? This may be a tactic that you don't like but it's not illegal. I, personally, dislike the idea of using bankruptcy to shed debt obligations but it's not illegal and is a tactic often used. That doesn't mean I have to like it but I do have to accept it.


So you like using bankruptcy to stiff people you money to? And you are admonihing people because you think they don't have it Bibles I in their house?

Rich irony and hypocrisy, but par for the course foe MAGA Christians I guess.

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Apr 2, 2024 06:47:22   #
steve03 Loc: long Lsland
 
rcarol wrote:
Why would he not delay? This may be a tactic that you don't like but it's not illegal. I, personally, dislike the idea of using bankruptcy to shed debt obligations but it's not illegal and is a tactic often used. That doesn't mean I have to like it but I do have to accept it.


I'm not writing about what is legal or not. I'm writing about how to vote. If you think bankruptcy in fine or sexual assault is ok and using delay to protect you from such actions are smart, then vote for Trump. I don't think this is the kind of man I will vote for

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Apr 2, 2024 07:06:27   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
rcarol wrote:
I'm in agreement with you more than you know, however, until he is actually convicted of the crimes he has ben accused, I'll protect his innocence.

With trump further incriminating himself multiple times a day every time he opens his mouth, WHY should you "protect his innocence"?

Only in a court of law does that apply.

Four Criminal Indictments, and 91 counts, which were dropped to 88 counts when 3 of the counts against trump in the Fulton County case were tossed out by Superior Court Judge Scott McAfee.

Only the diehard trump cult members refuse to look at the charges filed against trump and the mountains of evidence in those cases, and still claim that trump is as innocent as freshly fallen snow.

Use what few functioning brain cells you might have left to evaluate the evidence presented in the charging documents in each of the cases against trump. Remember that each case has gone through a Grand Jury which handed down the indictments. In Georgia, it was two separate Grand Juries.

The fact that trump is using every stalling tactic he can to try to prevent the cases from going forward before the November election, in hopes of winning, and subsequently burying the Federal cases should be a huge red flag for you of trump's guilt, not his innocence.

In Georgia, their GOP majority is trying every trick in the book to discredit Fani Willis, and remove her from the case, then bury the case.

No matter how your rose colored glasses look at it, the mounting evidence against trump in all of these cases point out his guilt.

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Apr 2, 2024 07:50:32   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
steve03 wrote:
I'm not writing about what is legal or not. I'm writing about how to vote. If you think bankruptcy in fine or sexual assault is ok and using delay to protect you from such actions are smart, then vote for Trump. I don't think this is the kind of man I will vote for

He's NOT the kind of person who should be voted in as President.

The fact that he's under pressure to pay the huge court ordered fines, makes trump a huge National Security risk.

Any foreign money accepted by trump is what causes that National Security risk.

The bond for the Business Fraud Case was just posted by an insurance company run by Dan Hankey, whose bank refinanced several of the trump properties in the past.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-posts-175-million-bond-civil-fraud-case-rcna145960

Being under such financial strain isn't conducive to making decisions in the best interests of the country. Every decision trump makes while in office the second time, IF he somehow manages to pull of the miracle of winning the 2024 election, will be in his own best interests, not what's best for the country.

Remember that trump wants to throw out the US Constitution, and the rule of law, and turn the United States into an Autocracy or a Dictatorship! No more 1st or 2nd Amendment to hide behind, along with all of the rest of them!

The majority of the country doesn't want that, but with RFK, Jr. potentially entering the race, he could draw enough votes to flip the election to trump.

Everyone should think long and hard about who they choose to vote for in November, because your choice could end up destroying the democratic republic we've known for over 247 years.

Think about what the citizens or Russia and North Korea endure under their Dictatorship style of rule.

How many Russians have been imprisoned and/or lost their lives under Putin for speaking out or demonstrating against Putin? Many have been hunted down outside of Russia, and poisoned or assassinated.

How many North Koreans have lost their lives under Kim Jong Un for their opposing beliefs?

trump and his inner circle are already plotting retribution against trump's opponents.

Think long and hard about that when you choose who to vote for in the 2024 General Election, because your freedoms are definitely on the line in this year's election!

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Apr 2, 2024 13:12:33   #
One Rude Dawg Loc: Athol, ID
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
He's NOT the kind of person who should be voted in as President.

The fact that he's under pressure to pay the huge court ordered fines, makes trump a huge National Security risk.

Any foreign money accepted by trump is what causes that National Security risk.

The bond for the Business Fraud Case was just posted by an insurance company run by Dan Hankey, whose bank refinanced several of the trump properties in the past.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-posts-175-million-bond-civil-fraud-case-rcna145960

Being under such financial strain isn't conducive to making decisions in the best interests of the country. Every decision trump makes while in office the second time, IF he somehow manages to pull of the miracle of winning the 2024 election, will be in his own best interests, not what's best for the country.

Remember that trump wants to throw out the US Constitution, and the rule of law, and turn the United States into an Autocracy or a Dictatorship! No more 1st or 2nd Amendment to hide behind, along with all of the rest of them!

The majority of the country doesn't want that, but with RFK, Jr. potentially entering the race, he could draw enough votes to flip the election to trump.

Everyone should think long and hard about who they choose to vote for in November, because your choice could end up destroying the democratic republic we've known for over 247 years.

Think about what the citizens or Russia and North Korea endure under their Dictatorship style of rule.

How many Russians have been imprisoned and/or lost their lives under Putin for speaking out or demonstrating against Putin? Many have been hunted down outside of Russia, and poisoned or assassinated.

How many North Koreans have lost their lives under Kim Jong Un for their opposing beliefs?

trump and his inner circle are already plotting retribution against trump's opponents.

Think long and hard about that when you choose who to vote for in the 2024 General Election, because your freedoms are definitely on the line in this year's election!
He's NOT the kind of person who should be voted in... (show quote)


I wonder what flavor of Kool-Aid he will recommend everyone else drink.

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