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Mar 20, 2024 23:58:31   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
Rick from NY wrote:
I’m a Nikon shooter and had tried out several “super zooms” over the years for my various F mount bodies and never satisfied enough with the sharpness and resolution especially at the long ends to buy one. Instead, I made do with carrying my 24-70/2.8 and 70-200/2.8. Fast forward to today where I own a Z8 and the same two lenses in Z mounts. Both of those lenses are sensational in image quality - better even than my beloved F mount versions. But I’m 76 and leaving for a 2 week vacation abroad and simply cannot haul my fast Z lenses. I tried a Sony 6700 with some Zeiss glass which is significantly lighter and smaller on a 2 week trip to Spain, but I just wasn’t consistently thrilled with results.

So, based on my extraordinary fast Z glass, I took the plunge and picked up a Z 24-200/6.3 lens on sale for $700. Glad I did. The lens on my Z8 is a surprisingly good performer. It is manageable on a Black Rapid sling strap, both from size and weight point of view, and while the images at 200mm will not cause me to give up my 2.8 version, the all in one lens is surprisingly good both in IQ, color and contrast. Yes it’s f6.3 at much past 50mm, but the excellent Z8 sensor together with the available, magical noise control software, I can live with the slow speed.

As I said, I’m using this rig for vacation pics and I’m happy to have a credible option for lighter weight travel.
I’m a Nikon shooter and had tried out several “sup... (show quote)

I concur with your assessment. I just returned from a trip where I used the Z 24-200 f4-6.3, + Z8, and that zoom range is great for travel and for an all around lens.

Superzooms have improved, Northrops have a video about that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoob-ZSqA9o

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Mar 21, 2024 01:07:49   #
Dan' de Bourgogne
 
Rick from NY wrote:
Thought it might be useful to post several examples of the lens I referred to in my original post. I unexpectedly found myself in a butterfly exhibit cage on Sunday without my macro gear. The photo ops were great and I was bemoaning the fact that all I had was my Z8 and 24-200/6.3. Fortunately, the lighting and backgrounds were good enabling me to hand hold some shots at high shutter speeds at 200mm stopped down pretty far. Noise reduction and sharpening was applied of course.

I was surprised at the results in terms of color, contrast and sharpness. Very pleased with this lens for times when I need to go small and lightweight (well....relatively small and lightweight)
Thought it might be useful to post several example... (show quote)



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Mar 21, 2024 06:49:29   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
imagemeister wrote:
The best super zoom on the planet is 24-600mm on the RX10m4. If you are serious about lighter weight travel, the RX10 should be your next camera.


I have an RX10ii which has a Zeiss 8x zoom (24-200) f2.8 constant aperture. I have found it equals my Leica d-lux 109 (f1.7 3x zoom) I've seen nothing that compares with the RX10ii for my type of photography.

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Mar 21, 2024 09:16:26   #
Rick from NY Loc: Sarasota FL
 
FOR THOSE WHO EITHER DIDN’T BOTHER TO ACTUALLY READ THE REPLIES TO MY OP AND MY FOLLOW UP COMMENTS AND/OR TO THOSE WHO JUST DIDN’T UNDERSTAND THE POINT OF MY OP, I ADDED THIS COMMENT YESTERDAY…..

How about we ignore the “600mm” RX10 nonsense in my thread? My post has nothing to do with any Sony or any other brand. It was written to alert Nikon shooters that the all purpose Z super zoom is a giant improvement over its dslr versions.

You want to argue about that camera’s focal length, start a separate thread.

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Mar 21, 2024 09:17:56   #
Rick from NY Loc: Sarasota FL
 
Delderby wrote:
I have an RX10ii which has a Zeiss 8x zoom (24-200) f2.8 constant aperture. I have found it equals my Leica d-lux 109 (f1.7 3x zoom) I've seen nothing that compares with the RX10ii for my type of photography.


What does this have to do with my original post?

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Mar 21, 2024 10:30:10   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
Rick from NY wrote:
What does this have to do with my original post?
somebody is grumpy this morning? Maybe he was just agreeing that super zoom technology has improved greatly?

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Mar 21, 2024 10:35:50   #
Alphabravo2020
 
Rick from NY wrote:
What does this have to do with my original post?


The OP doesn't ask a question so I think everyone jumps off in a different direction. The RX10 is a great suggestion for a light weight super zoom and has a zeiss lens which you mentioned. I think I triggered everyone by observing that the focal length wasn't exactly as advertised so I guess it's my fault 😅

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Mar 21, 2024 13:08:05   #
neillaubenthal
 
Mac wrote:
You made a good choice with the 24-200mm lens i have it and use it a lot on my Z 6II. In case you haven’t seen it, here is a link to Ken Rockwell’s review of the 24-200mm lens. He is very complimentary of it. https://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/z/24-200mm.htm Enjoy!


It is an excellent travel lens…although at 200 it is getting sort of soft so I tend to carry either it or my 24-120 with the Z8 or Z7II depending on how light I want to be. However…what it's not…is a really good wildlife or landscape lens…and that's perfectly fine. One should always use the right tool for the job…as I found on my trip to the UK last summer I took the Z8, 24-120, 14-30, and 100-400 and the latter 2 never even came out of the backpack…it was a non wildlife trip and what landscape and scenery I did the 24-120 was just fine. I shoulda left the other 2 lenses home and taken the smaller backpack.

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Mar 21, 2024 13:14:06   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
Rick from NY wrote:
What does this have to do with my original post?


From your original post -
"I tried a Sony 6700 with some Zeiss glass which is significantly lighter and smaller on a 2 week trip to Spain, but I just wasn’t consistently thrilled with results".

Is it possible that those results were down to you rather than Sony or Zeiss, especially when you say "consistently" as hardware is likely to be consistent?

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Mar 21, 2024 13:28:05   #
VJG
 
How does the Sony HX-99 compare to the RX 10 in low light?

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Mar 21, 2024 13:59:54   #
jeffhacker Loc: Dallas, Texas
 
I have the 70-200 f/2.8 and the 24-200 f/4-6.3 as well. The 24-200 is a great travel lens; my only issue with it (I have a Z6ii and a Z7ii) is in low light situations, and those situations where I need the bigger aperture. I’ve got the 14-30 f/4 as well when I need a wider angle, but if you’re traveling weight does count :-)

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Mar 21, 2024 15:15:08   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
imagemeister wrote:
The best super zoom on the planet is 24-600mm on the RX10m4. If you are serious about lighter weight travel, the RX10 should be your next camera.


I and my family own several superzooms, the excellent SX50 of my wife's is one. But my RX10iv outclasses them all for being both smaller/lighter than a dslr or mirrorless and produce better images than my small pocket cameras.

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Mar 21, 2024 16:36:03   #
Rick from NY Loc: Sarasota FL
 
jeffhacker wrote:
I have the 70-200 f/2.8 and the 24-200 f/4-6.3 as well. The 24-200 is a great travel lens; my only issue with it (I have a Z6ii and a Z7ii) is in low light situations, and those situations where I need the bigger aperture. I’ve got the 14-30 f/4 as well when I need a wider angle, but if you’re traveling weight does count :-)


If it’s noise that is the problem with slow lenses, I have found the new noise reduction software to be amazing.

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Mar 22, 2024 04:28:27   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
robertjerl wrote:
I and my family own several superzooms, the excellent SX50 of my wife's is one. But my RX10iv outclasses them all for being both smaller/lighter than a dslr or mirrorless and produce better images than my small pocket cameras.


Yes - for those who don't know, the RX10s have a 1" sensor and truly excellent Zeiss lenses. The Mks1 & 2 have 8 x zooms, the MKs3 & 4 have 20 x zooms. Having said that, the RX10s are mirrorless fixed zoom lens cameras - high quality with weather sealing. I believe that in the fullness of time that is the way all cameras will go.

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Mar 22, 2024 07:31:10   #
yssirk123 Loc: New Jersey
 
Mac wrote:
You made a good choice with the 24-200mm lens i have it and use it a lot on my Z 6II. In case you haven’t seen it, here is a link to Ken Rockwell’s review of the 24-200mm lens. He is very complimentary of it. https://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/z/24-200mm.htm Enjoy!


The 24-200 was the first Z lens I bought and I still love it. It's far and away the most versatile lens in my bag, and the image quality is excellent.

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