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Mar 20, 2024 09:26:59   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Rick from NY wrote:
I think you missed the point of my post. My goal was to reduce the weight I’m carrying on vacation, not equip myself for every focal length eventuality. I went that route for the past 55 years, but will not going forward when shooting for my own enjoyment . And the lenses you mention will do me no good on my FF Z8 and D850.

As for needing wider than 24 or longer than 200 - sure there might be a few times when I’d prefer my 14-24/2.8 or my long “bazooka” fast glass, but once again, on vacation shooting for personal reasons, I’m not carrying my full kit. My guess is that during my 2 week holiday in France, other than if I happen to spot Yeti swimming a couple of hundred yards away down the Sienne with the Loch Ness monster under his arm, I’ll wager that I’ll never feel cheated at being restricted to only 200mm.

Apples and oranges I’m afraid.
I think you missed the point of my post. My goal ... (show quote)


Yes, the RX10 is really for people who want to longer than 200mm .....
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Mar 20, 2024 09:30:56   #
Rick from NY Loc: Sarasota FL
 
dpullum wrote:
Rick from NY said: "I’m 76 and leaving for a 2 week vacation abroad and simply cannot haul my fast Z lenses." "I’m a Nikon shooter and had tried out several “super zooms” over the years "

Nikon shooter... well your index finger will actually work on other brands!! Amazingly!!!
"several “super zooms” over the years" Guess what... they have improved... While I have a Panasonic, Canon, Sony, and the rest also have fantastic 1" sensor Superzoom pocket cameras.

A major item in today's world is the effectiveness of AI post-processing... noise and sharpness and resolution; a 1" 20 mp sensor, 10x zoom, macro, and in-camera 3 ring circus of both burst and video abilities is for an excessively mature [76 y old] person on vacation is quite adequate [understatement]. Also as backup, a modern high-resolution cellphone is great. Both do not use swap lenses and fit in one's pocket.

Compact Superzoom pocket cameras spell freedom and capture when on auto the fleeting moment of photo opportunity.

I have a Panasonic TZ100 equipped to take add-on lenses and filters. [attachment for 52mm about $25] I am using it as a go-to camera, and my heavy Sony A65 and those 5 lenses stay at home collecting dust.

Most of the recommendations in this post will by the end of carrying the camera and lenses around for two weeks will feel like they weigh over a ton!!

Enjoy your vacation, and do not be burdened by heavy cameras... Caution: big equipment paints a target on your back for those wanting to steal your equipment that costs as much as they make in a year working.
Rick from NY said: "I’m 76 and leaving for a... (show quote)


Appreciate the thoughts, but perhaps I should have been clearer in my original post. I already own a Sony A6700 and some good glass to go with it. As I said originally, I tried that combo as a replacement for my regular gear on a 2 week vacation to Spain. As excellent as that camera kit is, overall I was disappointed in the overall results. Got some great shots - sometimes - if lighting was right.
I also own a Sony RX100 v7. The rx100 is always in my pocket. No matter what other gear I’m carrying. But not yet that feeble that it would be my only camera. Clarifying my point, while I am 76 and looking to pare down weight and bulk for “vacation” pics, I am not close to giving up on my FF Nikon gear yet.

I have sung the praises of both of my Sonys often in this and other forums, but for me, as good as they are for many situations, they don’t hold a candle to my “real” FF gear. And - only part of that is due to the physical characteristics of the 1” sensor. It has to do with muscle memory. I can shoot my Nikons in my sleep. I spend too much time remembering how to change settings with the Sony menu system.

So while I’m aware of physically smaller alternatives, until I cannot carry even my Z8 with the 24-200, I’m sticking with FF and what I know will give me the results I want 99% of the time.

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Mar 20, 2024 10:26:55   #
markwilliam1
 
imagemeister wrote:
The best super zoom on the planet is 24-600mm on the RX10m4. If you are serious about lighter weight travel, the RX10 should be your next camera.


AGREED!!

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Mar 20, 2024 11:27:13   #
BobHartung Loc: Bettendorf, IA
 
Rick from NY wrote:
I’m a Nikon shooter and had tried out several “super zooms” over the years for my various F mount bodies and never satisfied enough with the sharpness and resolution especially at the long ends to buy one. Instead, I made do with carrying my 24-70/2.8 and 70-200/2.8. Fast forward to today where I own a Z8 and the same two lenses in Z mounts. Both of those lenses are sensational in image quality - better even than my beloved F mount versions. But I’m 76 and leaving for a 2 week vacation abroad and simply cannot haul my fast Z lenses. I tried a Sony 6700 with some Zeiss glass which is significantly lighter and smaller on a 2 week trip to Spain, but I just wasn’t consistently thrilled with results.

So, based on my extraordinary fast Z glass, I took the plunge and picked up a Z 24-200/6.3 lens on sale for $700. Glad I did. The lens on my Z8 is a surprisingly good performer. It is manageable on a Black Rapid sling strap, both from size and weight point of view, and while the images at 200mm will not cause me to give up my 2.8 version, the all in one lens is surprisingly good both in IQ, color and contrast. Yes it’s f6.3 at much past 50mm, but the excellent Z8 sensor together with the available, magical noise control software, I can live with the slow speed.

As I said, I’m using this rig for vacation pics and I’m happy to have a credible option for lighter weight travel.
I’m a Nikon shooter and had tried out several “sup... (show quote)


Be sure to lock the lens when carrying as it has a tendency to "auto zoom" , i.e. extend under it's own weight.

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Mar 20, 2024 11:42:59   #
Rick from NY Loc: Sarasota FL
 
BobHartung wrote:
Be sure to lock the lens when carrying as it has a tendency to "auto zoom" , i.e. extend under it's own weight.

Thx

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Mar 20, 2024 13:02:28   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
imagemeister wrote:
The best super zoom on the planet is 24-600mm on the RX10m4. If you are serious about lighter weight travel, the RX10 should be your next camera.



But the Sony FE 200-600 is just a touch better... But heavier than the whole RX10 IV.

bwa

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Mar 20, 2024 13:04:12   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
BobHartung wrote:
Be sure to lock the lens when carrying as it has a tendency to "auto zoom" , i.e. extend under it's own weight.

Or add a LensBand to hold the zoom location...

bwa

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Mar 20, 2024 13:17:56   #
Alphabravo2020
 
imagemeister wrote:
The best super zoom on the planet is 24-600mm on the RX10m4. If you are serious about lighter weight travel, the RX10 should be your next camera.


Just an observation. I dont think that is a true 600mm. It should be more like 200mm with the rest being a crop factor. It is basically the field of view of a 600mm with the magnification of a 200mm.

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Mar 20, 2024 13:52:37   #
markwilliam1
 
Alphabravo2020 wrote:
Just an observation. I dont think that is a true 600mm. It should be more like 200mm with the rest being a crop factor. It is basically the field of view of a 600mm with the magnification of a 200mm.

How would you know that? BS! When I take a 600mm picture using this camera the data says 600mm! Don’t think they are inaccurate. Obviously you have Never used this camera..Right?

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Mar 20, 2024 13:56:06   #
markwilliam1
 
bwana wrote:


But the Sony FE 200-600 is just a touch better... But heavier than the whole RX10 IV.

bwa


How would you know that? Have you compared Images? Are you a Pixel Peeper? A touch better. What’s touch better?

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Mar 20, 2024 15:43:26   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
 
imagemeister wrote:
I guess for YOU it is hyperbole - for everyone else it is my educated/experienced OPINION - and, not only is it the best superzoom, it is also the best zoom period. In fact, it is the sharpest lens I have used other than the Canon 300 2.8 - sharper than all my other primes ! ......read Ken Rockwell's review .....yes, I know, most Nikon people hate Ken Rockwell
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I guess for YOU it is hyperbole - for everyone els... (show quote)


You need to read the Ken Rockweii review. The RX10m4 has a zoom focal length of 8.8-220mm. The 1 inch sensor gives it a 35mm equivalent of 24-600mm. https://www.kenrockwell.com/sony/rx10-iv.htm

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Mar 20, 2024 15:54:35   #
Alphabravo2020
 
markwilliam1 wrote:
How would you know that? BS! When I take a 600mm picture using this camera the data says 600mm! Don’t think they are inaccurate. Obviously you have Never used this camera..Right?


I was a little off. The actual focal length is 220mm. It is printed on the lens. The rest of the advertised "reach" is the 2.7 crop factor which gives you a field of view close to the 600mm.

Peace.



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Mar 20, 2024 16:16:23   #
Rick from NY Loc: Sarasota FL
 
How about we ignore the “600mm” RX10 nonsense in my thread? My post has nothing to do with any Sony or any other brand. It was written to alert Nikon shooters that the all purpose Z super zoom is a giant improvement over its dslr versions.

You want to argue about that camera’s focal length, start a separate thread.

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Mar 20, 2024 16:19:21   #
Rick from NY Loc: Sarasota FL
 
bwana wrote:
Or add a LensBand to hold the zoom location...

bwa


Had never thought about that solution, but as a matter of fact, the lens is so new to me that I wasn’t yet aware it had a zoom lock. So far, my copy hasn’t crept on me. I’ll be looking out for that.

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Mar 20, 2024 17:46:25   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Mac wrote:
You need to read the Ken Rockweii review. The RX10m4 has a zoom focal length of 8.8-220mm. The 1 inch sensor gives it a 35mm equivalent of 24-600mm. https://www.kenrockwell.com/sony/rx10-iv.htm


SO .........I have read it SEVERAL times ....this is common knowledge - or should be for people paying attention.

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