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Why did it take two atom bombs to defeat Japan? The Psychology of Tyranny
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Mar 18, 2024 21:57:21   #
jcboy3
 
SteveR wrote:
What Hamas did in that raid is very similar to what the Japanese did at Pearl Harbor. Compare the deaths. The Israeli deaths are very similar in number to our military deaths. What do you think, did we overreact? We killed hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians.


The Japanese didn't stack up and burn babies.

But the issue is that people think of Hamas as a terrorist organization, rather than the political leaders of Palestinian Gaza.

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Mar 18, 2024 22:06:09   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
National Park wrote:
I used to think the dropping of the atomic bombs weren't necessary to force Japan to surrender, but I have had second thoughts about this after reading the recent book "The Road to Surrender" by Evan Thomas. The book makes a pretty compelling case that the dropping of both the first and second atomic bombs were necessary to get Japan to surrender. The book claims that the dropping of the two bombs ultimately saved many lives: American soldiers, the Japanese public, and the Chinese (thousands of whom the Japanese were slaughtering every day). Well worth a read...
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With respect, I'm a Yank outside the US for over 40 years, this has come up many times for me over the years.

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Mar 18, 2024 23:46:00   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Texcaster wrote:
With respect, I'm a Yank outside the US for over 40 years, this has come up many times for me over the years.


So, what do the Aussies think? Would they have sacrificed a million men in order NOT to drop the bomb?

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Mar 19, 2024 01:48:35   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
SteveR wrote:
So, what do the Aussies think? Would they have sacrificed a million men in order NOT to drop the bomb?


Get real. I can only speak for myself and I have.

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Mar 19, 2024 06:26:39   #
Blaster34 Loc: Florida Treasure Coast
 
SteveR wrote:
We firebombed Tokyo. With its wooden and paper houses the city went up in horrific flames. 100,000 Japanese civilians were killed. The Japanese could have surrendered then and we never would have had Hiroshima. But we did. Once we had Hiroshima the Japanes could have surrendered, but the tyrannical leadership thought more about themselves than their people, so we had Nagasaki.

In Europe, at some point Hitler knew the war was over but would not surrender. He allowed his entire country to be ripped to shreds and divided between allies rather than think of his own people. Another megolomaniacal tyrant.

And now the tyrants who have ruled Gaza would rather fight to the bitter end, allowing their people to suffer and their country to be demolished RATHER THAN SURRENDER. Who's the Hitler? Who are the tyrants? HAMAS
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Steve, here is an excellent article on Operation Olympic from the US Navy's History and Heritage H-Grams...A short but interesting read about the thinking that went into the potential invasion of Japan....Cheers

https://www.history.navy.mil/about-us/leadership/director/directors-corner/h-grams/h-gram-057/h-057-1.html

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Mar 19, 2024 11:28:06   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Texcaster wrote:
Get real. I can only speak for myself and I have.


I've gone back and read your post and think it's hogwash. The Japanese had every opportunity to surrender but didn't. They wanted surrender on their terms but after the brutality they inflicted on our forces and elsewhere that wasn't going to happen. Total and absolute surrender was required.

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Mar 19, 2024 17:16:21   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
SteveR wrote:
I've gone back and read your post and think it's hogwash. The Japanese had every opportunity to surrender but didn't. They wanted surrender on their terms but after the brutality they inflicted on our forces and elsewhere that wasn't going to happen. Total and absolute surrender was required.


Well we got that in spades.

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Mar 19, 2024 17:38:44   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Texcaster wrote:
Well we got that in spades.


For one thing, the Japanese needed to be disarmed. Their military machine did not need to rise again. I don't think I need to go into details about their cruelty, for one thing.

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