terryMc Loc: Arizona's White Mountains

Go back and generate 3 more identical to the first ones, and then we'll talk about it.

Curmudgeon Loc: SE Arizona

Here we go again. Try Googling "Photograph of Plato speaking in the senate" or maybe, "Photograph of Davy Crockett on the walls of the Alamo".

First understand that images generated by AI are exactly that images, not photographs. Anyone who represents them as photographs should be, (the punishment of your choice.) However if I choose to lie to you and I am careful you will never know. Yes, AI is that good and getting better by the day.

UHH has developed guidelines which I follow. I post WARNING AI IMAGES when ever I use an AI image alone or in a composite. I usually post my composite images containing AI generated images in the Digital Artistry Forum but sometimes when I editorialize I may post them elsewhere, with the AI warning of course.

OK here it is in a nut shell:

AI is here to stay and there is nothing anyone can do about it.
AI is good enough that if someone has sufficient skills, it cannot be detected.

A final question

Photoshop has Generative Fill and Generative Expand. These tools use the AI engine from Firefly. Should the use of these tools be required to have an "AI warning" also?

joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois

You can call it what you want...I call it fun.

Curmudgeon Loc: SE Arizona

Me too

terryMc Loc: Arizona's White Mountains

Jack, I pointed out above what I think of your Midjourney, et al, images, and the way you handle them with integrity, and to my knowledge, you have never claimed that any of them was "photography." I know you sometimes include your own photos or portions of them in composites that are mostly AI, but that doesn't make them photographs either, and I have never seen you make that claim. Just the opposite. I don't know if you claim to "create" these images as the OP does, but we both know that the computer program does that, and the only human input (other than creating the algorithms) is to describe a picture for the computer to draw.

Okay, so what? Ai is here to stay. Sure it is, but if you post a picture and lie to me about how it was made and I can't tell the difference, does that mean that you created a photograph? Does that make AI "photography" or just make you a liar?

What "skills" does one need to make an AI image undetectable? Seems to me the only skill you need is picking the best program. Firefly is not very good right now, wouldn't fool anyone. Midjourney? Would fool most people if that's your goal. Still not photography, still can't take a picture of my newborn grandson ten minutes after his birth to show the family. Can I prompt a computer to create a newborn and claim it's my new grandson? You betcha. Does that claim make it a photograph or just make me a liar? You know the answer.

If I Google "Photograph of Davy Crockett on the walls of the Alamo" I'll get millions of pictures. Which are the real Davy Crockett? None of them, of course, there weren't any, but there are lots of pictures, drawn and painted, and lots of movie scenes (and those are photographs). If I Google that and get AI generated pictures that look like photographs, are they then genuine "photographs"? Not any more than the drawings, and no more historically authentic.

I'm glad you enjoy this computer art and I encourage you to go on doing so for as long as you wish. But I hope you also continue to do it ethically (I have seen no reason to believe otherwise) and also realize that there are as many people working right now on ways to detect fakes as there are those trying to produce them. There have always been fakes, even fake copies of the paintings of the masters, and there likely always will be. I use Generative Fill in Photoshop for lots of things that I do to my own photographs, but I always am up front about editing. Also they always begin as real camera photographs, not as typed sentences.

Do all the computer imaging you wish to. I will look at and enjoy many of them. Just don't tell me this makes you a creator of art any more than an author who hires an artist to illustrate his books is an artist. You tell the computer what you want, it draws it for you. What you get is a CGI illustration, not a photograph, not now, not ever.

joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois

Wow, you are really hung up on this. Look at my subject, and don't let this obsession cloud your mind. Peace.

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