What happened to measles? (Page 5): Mrna is not spike protein, much less virus It is first vaccine that contains MRNA a chain of nucleotides that acts as blueprint for your body to...

Tote1940 Loc: Dallas

Mrna is not spike protein, much less virus
It is first vaccine that contains MRNA a chain of nucleotides that acts as blueprint for your body to build part of spike protein, then react against them, making antibodies to the little spike pieces it just made! Those antibodies and cell mediated immunity potentiated by inflamatory system are what protect
Covid virus like all viruses cannot reproduce, just invades cells, hijacks protein making machine into making zillion new viruses often killing cells
By the way it is fascinating how new strains have evolved and changed in pathogenicity

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

Tote1940 wrote:

Measles is probably the most infectious disease. A... (show quote)

I had an uncle who was killed by a car in a convenience store parking lot.
We all should stop going to convenience stores?

The logic some people come up with.........

Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York

Longshadow wrote:

I had an uncle who was killed by a car in a convenience store parking lot.
We all should stop going to convenience stores?

The logic some people come up with.........

That logic fails me!

Pencils cause misspellings.
Paper causes cuts and blood loss
Spoons make people fat!

Anyway, we can skew the results so much so that walking on the sidewalk can cause the sky to fall.

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

Scruples wrote:

That logic fails me!

Pencils cause misspellings.
Paper causes cuts and blood loss
Spoons make people fat!

Anyway, we can skew the results so much so that walking on the sidewalk can cause the sky to fall.

Ruthlessrider

Silversleuth wrote:

To those ardent anti-vaxers, no amount of reason, logic or scientific data can deter them from their delusions about efficacy or dangers of vaccinations. Remember polio? Well that was pretty much wiped out by vaccination. One thing that can't be prevented or cured: Stupid.

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

Scouser wrote:

WhenI was in Grade School, measles was no big deal. It was way before the MMR vaccinations were even thought of.
Typically, Little Johnny would come into class and say to the teacher, "Please Miss, my sister won't be in for a few days, she's got measles". The prevalent attitude was, OK, let's get this over with before the holidays.
So why do we break out the Hazmat suits and go into Level 3 lock-down when someone even whispers the word?
Something must have changed!

Getting measles is no big deal. A head-on auto collision is no big deal - as long as I'm not involved.

"Globally, the number of measles cases increased by 18% between 2021 and 2022, and deaths from measles increased by 43%, according to a WHO report released last November. Jan 31, 2024."

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/measles#:~:text=It%20can%20cause%20severe%20disease,rash%20all%20over%20the%20body.

Ruthlessrider

As a retire educator my feelings are that parents who refuse to vaccinate their children should not be allowed to expect the public to educate their children. Failure to vaccinate puts their children and the children they go to school with at-risk. While some vaccinated people may at any age suffer side effect, those vaccinated are much less likely to die from the vaccine than from the disease.

gouldopfl

Scouser wrote:

WhenI was in Grade Schoo out 1000l, measles was no big deal. It was way before the MMR vaccinations were even thought of.
Typically, Little Johnny would come into class and say to the teacher, "Please Miss, my sister won't be in for a few days, she's got measles". The prevalent attitude was, OK, let's get this over with before the holidays.
So why do we break out the Hazmat suits and go into Level 3 lock-down when someone even whispers the word?
Something must have changed!

In Children 1 out of 1000 children can get encephalitis that can lead to convulsions, deafness, intellectual disabilities and death.

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

gouldopfl wrote:

In Children 1 out of 1000 children can get encephalitis that can lead to convulsions, deafness, intellectual disabilities and death.

Someone will say that's a very small percentage, but it's 100% for the family involved.

gouldopfl

The samecwith polio. Most folk alive today don't remember the ravages of polio. I had an aunt that was left severely physically disabled. No ine gives a damn about other people. When I was in school, if you didn't have the immunizations and boosters, you couldn't go to school. Politicans and judges need to grow a backbone and listen to the medical personnel. If they don't want to, home school them.

SteveR Loc: Michigan

ruzbynik wrote:

I wrote that 40,000 were infected. Fortunately most infected persons don't die. So what I wrote is actually true.

I'm attaching a copy of a story from the Washington Post that gives the full story. The problem was not the Salk Vaccine but production in the Cutter Laboratory. 40,000 children were given "abortive" polio. It was discovered that in production they were making the vaccine with live polio rather than dead polio. Most symptoms were mild. However, fifty-one children were paralyzed and five died. It was a production problem in the lab and not a problem with the vaccine as discovered by Salk. You really fully forthcoming when in your posting of facts.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/04/14/cutter-polio-vaccine-paralyzed-children-coronavirus/

Here is the Wikipedia version of the "incident." Note that Cutter labs was just one of the laboratories producing the vaccine. In the 70's, Cutter was purchased by Bayer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutter_Laboratories#:~:text=In%20what%20became%20known%20as%20the%20Cutter%20incident%2C,on%20April%2027%20after%20vaccine-associated%20cases%20were%20reported.

Burkley Loc: Park City

Scouser wrote:

WhenI was in Grade School, measles was no big deal. It was way before the MMR vaccinations were even thought of.
Typically, Little Johnny would come into class and say to the teacher, "Please Miss, my sister won't be in for a few days, she's got measles". The prevalent attitude was, OK, let's get this over with before the holidays.
So why do we break out the Hazmat suits and go into Level 3 lock-down when someone even whispers the word?
Something must have changed!

Chicken Pox infections are usually no big deal until you get shingles as an adult from latent viruses. Measles, on the other hand, continue to maim and kill and always have. The antivaxers, in regards to measles and polio, are simply wrong and destructive. Measles are a feared infection for good reason. Measles infections even without complications are wicked: high fevers, uncomfortable rashes, oral lesions, cough, pneumonia, severe headaches etc. Before the vaccines, measles were a leading cause of childhood death, deafness, and viral encephalitis with subsequent lifelong neural damage. Pneumonia and encephalitis from measles killed about 3 individuals per 1000 infections. If a pregnant woman contracted measles and carried the child, they would often be born with severe complications and lifelong neural deficits. Chicken pox infections can be mild, as can measles. But too often measles infections are fatal or induce severe lifelong damage in a child. Nothing has changed except the diminished frequency due to vaccines.

halraiser

[quote=Burkley]Chicken Pox infections are usually no big deal until you get shingles as an adult from latent viruses.

Partly true. Chicken pox in children can cause permanent scaring from scratching. In adults it is a really nasty disease, had a co-worker get it. Most unpleasant.

Reminds me of our second daughter who had a good friend. One Saturday morning her friend called to say she had chicken pox. Probably no more than an hour later our daughter said, "my back itches." Two little girls spent a lot of time in the bathtub with baking soda in the water.

Burkley Loc: Park City

Just took the time to read the posts. One thing that was mentioned was the polio vaccine. The polio vaccine is a major success story saving millions of lives and tens of millions of severe disabilities. However, the polio vaccine as initially administered was one of the largest medical mistakes in US history. 6 companies produced the vaccine. One company Cutter Labs had a contaminated manufacturing process. The initial vaccine doses were inadvertently laced with live active poliovirus and not the inactive virus as was intended. 100,000 contaminated doses created by Cutter labs caused over 300 polio infections and 11 deaths. In other words, the initial doses of the vaccine made by Cutter actually spread the infection. After the mistake was discovered, the tainted vaccine was pulled and effective doses were administered. Millions of lives were spared the ravages of polio. The polio vaccine manufacturing mistake led to major changes in the FDA, pharmaceutical manufacturing processes and in the vaccine liability laws.

SteveR Loc: Michigan

Burkley wrote:

Just took the time to read the posts. One thing t... (show quote)

See my post above. There were many more "abortive" infections (40,000) which had minor symptoms. However, 51 children were paralyzed and five died. See the links that I provided. Bottom line, however, it was a production error and not a problem with the design of the vaccine by Salk.