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Mar 9, 2024 12:42:22   #
bdk Loc: Sanibel Fl.
 
My summer home is in Lehigh Valley, well actually panther Valley which is pretty much the sameplace.
I have taken a prime into the woods and shot hundreds of photos of streams and waterfalls. its aa great experiment.

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Mar 9, 2024 13:20:59   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Why would you need an excuse to buy a new camera? Saying you need it? Well that won't fly for the majority of the UHH members as unless you make a living with your camera you don't need a camera. But you like a new camera you buy it, you don't need an excuse.
Exactly. "Because I want it" is a good enough reason for any amateur.

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Mar 9, 2024 13:24:19   #
Hal Masover Loc: Iowa and Florida
 
Bridges wrote:
burkphoto posted a link where a professional photographer talked about using a point-and-shoot camera vs. a more expensive system camera. She said the most important aspect of good photography was what came from a photographer's head, not from their gear.

Here is a challenge for you: This does not require an experiment of using high-end equipment vs. basic entry-level equipment. Either will do fine for this challenge but will exercise the gray matter between the ears. This is not something I came up with, but am passing it on from a professional photographer who gave a talk to a camera club I once attended.

Here is the challenge: Take your camera and go for an all-day shoot using only a single prime lens. This photographer would a couple of times a year go into NYC (where we live in the Lehigh Valley is less than two hours from the city), and take only a single lens with him. Sometimes he chose a wide angle like a 24 or 35mm, and other times take a 50 or 75mm lens. He would challenge himself to take the best shots he could using only that lens. If you don't have a prime lens, use a zoom, but only at one focal length setting.

I think too often we get comfortable with our ability to zoom in and create using the equipment rather than using our minds. I plan to do this exercise at least twice this year, once using a 24 or 35mm prime and then using an 85 or 105mm.
burkphoto posted a link where a professional photo... (show quote)


A long time ago a friend of mine referred to prime lenses as an workout program for photographers. "Zoom in Hal, zoom out Hal." she said. I hear her saying that everytime I decide to shoot with a prime for awhile. I mostly do it because I have some primes that are sub f2.0 and I don't have any zooms that fast. But really, the only reason I'm going to compose differently with a prime is either because I can't, such as not being able to get a wide shot with a telephoto, or I'm just tired of moving back and forth using my feet to zoom. Creativity? Maybe zooms make some people lazy. For me this is an exercise in restriction to see if anything gets forced out. A lot of photography for me has always been that I see something and do I have the skill and/or equipment to realize that vision. So restricting myself to only certain tools would be taking a step backwards in that process.

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Mar 9, 2024 13:31:54   #
MJPerini
 
Anything that gets us out taking pictures, is probably good for us.
If you need a 'challenge' to do that fine.
Re limitations: The reason we hear about this so much as an 'exercise' or challenge, is that working within limitations pushes creative thinking. The famous OCOLOY exercise (One camera, one lens , one year) is perhaps the most famous of them, and anyone who has done it will tell you it was a good thing to refine their photographic vision.
It is the limitations that cause us to learn, and become more deeply engaged.
There are many examples of great photographers who did essentially that for their whole lives.

But the point of these exercises is not that it is the "Right Way" to practice Photography , but that doing it makes you better able to make good pictures with whatever lenses and cameras you choose.
It is a completely voluntary thing that no one should do unless they want to.

I did it a Long time ago, I bought a Leica M3 / 50mm Sumicron and went at it, (Why that combo? it was what HCB used .....I was young, and no HCB) and in retrospect I am happy I did so. I absolutely did get better and faster. I also learned that Rangefinder cameras were not for me, and I like many other lenses better than 50mm.

When I was a Professional I quickly learned that I needed lots of lenses and lots of cameras if I wanted to bee able to get hired to do different kinds of jobs.
Going back to being an AMATEUR (someone who does it for the love of it) I have lots of stuff gathering dust and use mostly a couple of really good zooms, but interestingly I tend to use them most like dual focal length lenses.... so 80% of pictures taken with my 24-70 are taken at 24 OR 70..... like 2 primes, I know what 24mm looks like and what 70 looks like. I really compose the picture without looking through the camera and while I bring the camera to my eye a quick flick of the finger pushes the zoom ring to one extreme or the other.
I still like visualizing the frame without the camera, and I like the discipline of having either 'wide' or 'tight' frames.
Clearly I do not do that ALL the time, just most of the time. The frames have a distinct look that I like.

I am NOT suggesting that this is somehow better than what other people do , it is just what I do and it comes from that exercise I did so many years ago "in an effort to get better"

That exercise had value for me, I learned from it, it got me work from big name clients, it helped me develop a style that I am comfortable with.
I no longer do "Exercises" , I just shoot, because for better or worse, I have a style and outlook that I am comfortable with, and my main challenge is overcoming the creaky knees and getting out there.

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Mar 9, 2024 13:47:15   #
Hal Masover Loc: Iowa and Florida
 
MJPerini wrote:
Anything that gets us out taking pictures, is probably good for us.
If you need a 'challenge' to do that fine.
Re limitations: The reason we hear about this so much as an 'exercise' or challenge, is that working within limitations pushes creative thinking. The famous OCOLOY exercise (One camera, one lens , one year) is perhaps the most famous of them, and anyone who has done it will tell you it was a good thing to refine their photographic vision.
It is the limitations that cause us to learn, and become more deeply engaged.
There are many examples of great photographers who did essentially that for their whole lives.

But the point of these exercises is not that it is the "Right Way" to practice Photography , but that doing it makes you better able to make good pictures with whatever lenses and cameras you choose.
It is a completely voluntary thing that no one should do unless they want to.

I did it a Long time ago, I bought a Leica M3 / 50mm Sumicron and went at it, (Why that combo? it was what HCB used .....I was young, and no HCB) and in retrospect I am happy I did so. I absolutely did get better and faster. I also learned that Rangefinder cameras were not for me, and I like many other lenses better than 50mm.

When I was a Professional I quickly learned that I needed lots of lenses and lots of cameras if I wanted to bee able to get hired to do different kinds of jobs.
Going back to being an AMATEUR (someone who does it for the love of it) I have lots of stuff gathering dust and use mostly a couple of really good zooms, but interestingly I tend to use them most like dual focal length lenses.... so 80% of pictures taken with my 24-70 are taken at 24 OR 70..... like 2 primes, I know what 24mm looks like and what 70 looks like. I really compose the picture without looking through the camera and while I bring the camera to my eye a quick flick of the finger pushes the zoom ring to one extreme or the other.
I still like visualizing the frame without the camera, and I like the discipline of having either 'wide' or 'tight' frames.
Clearly I do not do that ALL the time, just most of the time. The frames have a distinct look that I like.

I am NOT suggesting that this is somehow better than what other people do , it is just what I do and it comes from that exercise I did so many years ago "in an effort to get better"

That exercise had value for me, I learned from it, it got me work from big name clients, it helped me develop a style that I am comfortable with.
I no longer do "Exercises" , I just shoot, because for better or worse, I have a style and outlook that I am comfortable with, and my main challenge is overcoming the creaky knees and getting out there.
Anything that gets us out taking pictures, is prob... (show quote)


In regards to your last sentence, I'll have you know I resemble that remark!

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Mar 9, 2024 14:27:56   #
rlscholl Loc: California
 
Choosing a single lens for an “all-day shoot”, for me would depend on circumstances. For general walk-around or travel photography, a 40mm lens on a ff camera would be my most frequent selection. When anticipating mostly subjects where perspective is important (e.g., architecture or other similar subjects where access opportunities might be problems, sometimes I choose a 35mm shift lens. For motor sports, something longer, but relatively light (100 or 200mm).

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Mar 9, 2024 15:19:29   #
TheShoe Loc: Lacey, WA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Photography is 80% mental, and the other half is PhotoShop.


I love your math.

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Mar 9, 2024 15:24:40   #
RetCapt Loc: NorCal mountains
 
I underwent that training very long ago.

From my start in photography (mid - late 60s) until I switched to digital in 2009-2010, my main system was Leica/Canon thread mount (LTM) cameras and lenses. Since this was a rangefinder system, the lenses were all primes. Since I was/am a minimalist photographer I was very often out with just whatever lens was on the camera. I varied in this between 35 and 50mm focal lengths. We were doing a lot of backpacking then, and at the most I would have a 35mm lens on the camera, and carry an 85-90mm lens.

My lens selection at the peak of all this was 28,35, 50, 85, 90, 100, 135mm, plus 280mm using a Visoflex reflex viewer. That would be a lot of gear to carry, so I just chose carefully depending on what my photographic objective was on any given safari.

In 1985 I bought a then-new Nikonos 5. This was the 'tough' camera of the era, and I wanted that ruggedness. I could carry this camera cross country skiing and know it would survive. I bought the three above-water Nikkor lenses to go with the body, 28, 35 and 80mm. For backpacking I carried just the 35 and 80mm lenses. Wonderful system. This was my first ever brand new film system, and it was worth every penny.

So it would appear that I was accepting this challenge all those decades, but I was not aware of it. It was just how I made my photographs. I never felt limited in this approach because it was all I knew.

I had never even looked through a zoom lens.

With the transition to digital, which was immediate once I tried it, came my first exposure to zoom lenses.

I quickly realized how restricted I had been with primes given how light I wanted to travel. Zoom lenses were a revelation in 2009-2010 to one who had never before experienced them.

I do not now own any digital prime lenses. Once I tried zoom lenses, there was no going back.

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Mar 9, 2024 15:56:03   #
User ID
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
I find plenty of challenge in doing photography without restricting myself to what was available in the past. I do often use a single focal length lens, which is a macro lens. But I won't give up my zooms because sometimes I can't zoom with my feet, and I could miss some good shots.

Perhaps part of the suggested exercise is to simply not lose any sleep over potential "good shots" that would have required gear thaz not on hand. That in itself is a verrrrrry useful and rewarding exercise. The title asks "Are you up to it ?". Anyone is free to "just say no !". Its clearly not for everyone.

It hubris to feel that if you carry suitable gear to assure that nearly no opportunities fall out of reach that your "success" means anything to anyone.

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Mar 9, 2024 16:44:55   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
User ID wrote:
Perhaps part of the suggested exercise is to simply not lose any sleep over potential "good shots" that would have required gear thaz not on hand. That in itself is a verrrrrry useful and rewarding exercise. The title asks "Are you up to it ?". Anyone is free to "just say no !". Its clearly not for everyone.

It hubris to feel that if you carry suitable gear to assure that nearly no opportunities fall out of reach that your "success" means anything to anyone.
Perhaps part of the suggested exercise is to simpl... (show quote)


I guess at 74 and retired as a pro, I have settled on what I want to do with photography and what equipment it takes to accomplish it. I do flower closeups and color infrared landscapes, with a camera and lens for each. I can't manage to carry both any more, so I already miss shots I could have gotten with the other camera. I feel it is plenty challenging to do both, but very satisfying. I already use a prime macro lens, and my lens for IR is a 12-24 DX lens which I almost always use at 12. But there are times I need up to the 24 if I can't get close enough, and I'd hate to miss those. Someone in this thread said that he pretends he has 24 exposure ISO 400 film in his camera. No thanks. I am challenged enough just doing the work.

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Mar 9, 2024 16:47:18   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
It seems odd how a suggestion for an exercise to stimulate creativity has turned into an argument over gear.

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Mar 9, 2024 16:58:01   #
mffox Loc: Avon, CT
 
Good Idea: I'm with you.
Mark

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Mar 9, 2024 18:09:10   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
Thomas902 wrote:
burkphoto posted a link where a professional photographer talked about... Bridges please realize that photography isn't a profession it is a simply a Craft... It requires no academic credentials, nor does it require license from a governmental agency (State and/or Federal)...

That said there are indeed highly skilled and competent Commercial Photographers that easily can command very high fees to shoot a client's needs and meet their expectations. I know full well since as a member of ASMP I've assisted with quite a few and my Day Rate i.e. per diem is more that spare change.

Same with Fashion Models... Which is also a highly specialize craft... and only a choose few are able to run the gauntlet and survive to go on to become Agency Represented. An example: "In an interview printed in the October 1990 issue of Vogue, Evangelista said: "We don't wake up for less than $10,000 a day." (with current inflation equivalent to over $22,000

My sincere advice to both you and Burkphoto is to put down your "hammer" and instead get up and out of bed and start trying to book clients. You will likely discover as Burkphoto probably did that unless you are working for an commercial entity that books your clients for you that life in Sales is a bitch.

As for going out every day to experience life as a Photojournalist (i.e. shooting reportage)? Not happening for me... I'm unable to walk more than a few hundred feet on level ground (or walk up several flights stairs) owing to health issues (Stage III Heart Failure) however that doesn't keep me from shooting in my studio non-stop which I do constantly now so I'm able nail the complex illumination scenarios effortlessly and instantly achieve critical focus on a talent's near eye. Oft said When one door closes another opens (that is for those who chose "Carpe diem")

Below is a deliverable from a Christmas Eve commercial shoot... It's all about meeting and/or exceeding client expectations Bridges. The sooner you can except this edict the more likely you'll be able to convert an avocation into a vocation. Also maybe try shooting "Professional Models" a.k.a. Agency Represented talent... When you become proficient enough at your "Craft" you can possibly become a "Testing Photographer" for agencies in your market (where there is no monetary exchange only trade for services.

Hope this helps or is at least food for thought.
Wishing all who strive to become Commercial Photographers much joy & success on your journey.
i burkphoto posted a link where a professional ph... (show quote)


Thomas
Why do you suggest "book clients" ? Nothing was said about doing photography as a business, but instead, shooting with one lens to get the photo, that shows what you see in your head.

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Mar 9, 2024 18:12:00   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
I think in spite of your opinion posted here, people are still going to refer to those who earn a living doing photography as "Professional Photographers".



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Mar 9, 2024 18:14:29   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
Mac wrote:
That is a good exercise, but I think one day is too short a period of time.
I agree that it is easy to rely too much on the zoom function.


I think that is part of the exercise. With a fixed lens, you may have to move in (, zoom in) or move back (zoom out), to get what you want to show.

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