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hugEDhog Loc: Bear, Delaware

47greyfox wrote:

The only thing worse in a show or concert than someone using their phone in front of me (held high) is some $06 doing the same with a damn iPad mini.

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

hugEDhog wrote:

Why do they prohibit cameras in enclosed venues? Smartphones are good enough if you’re near the stage but if you’re far out there you need a zoom lens. Your thoughts.

Lawyers. Music companies hire good lawyers.

The band, promoters, record company, music publisher, and probably other parties want to reserve the right to exploit the band's licensed public image. It's not the 1970s any more, when no one worried if you walked in with two Nikons and four lenses. Bags weren't searched. Bands took a liberal view of photographers and said, "Sure, take all you want! We know you love us. Show all your friends."

Bands sell their own CDs, downloads, posters, logo clothing, key rings, and other trinkets, both at the concert venue and on their Internet sites. They LICENSE their personal appearances, logos, photos, and everything else (lyrics, sheet music, recordings, etc.). So they don't want someone with a PROFESSIONAL quality camera or audio recorder or video camera draining off their potential income.

MOST musicians don't make a lot of money. They have to tour constantly to build their brand, because the pittance they make from Spotify, Reverb Nation, Apple Music, etc. is not a sustaining income. Only the very top tier of musicians get wealthy from their craft. Their record companies get most of the proceeds from CD and vinyl sales.

One way an international touring band knows they have "made it" is by the amount of fake merchandise sold in the streets outside concert venues. I would rather buy "merch" from a band's web site, where I know they are making something from it. If there's a $15 T-shirt for sale outside a venue, I know it's fake. The real merch table is inside. They sell a better quality shirt, but it probably costs $60. The same shirt on the band's website probably costs $30.

Mexican child prodigy sister rockers The Warning have an incredibly good video of their two show, sold-out, August, 2022, concert at Teatro Metropolitan, in Mexico City. The introductory scenes of the film show people lined up in the street waiting to get in, and there are dozens and dozens of street vendors selling every form of "fake logo merch" that's conceivable. The band laughed it off, but they would much rather sell you better stuff on their site.

Today, people with cell phones can make photos and videos that are "good enough" to satisfy many fans. A day after a concert, the Internet is flooded with crappy audio on videos of last night's concert. If the band had the show professionally filmed, and recorded all the audio straight from each microphone to a digital track on a computer, for professional mixing in post-production, they may take MONTHS to churn out a top notch concert video. But it'll be worth the wait!

If you like classic rock, watch the first 30 minutes of this, and you'll quite possibly watch all 22 songs. It was professionally recorded and filmed. It has absolutely headphone-worthy, high quality audio and video work on it. The performance is top-of-game. The light show is unreal. (Daniela's stage announcements are in Spanish, but they sing 20 songs in English.) Don't miss their remake of *Enter Sandman.* And don't miss 23. It's one of the performances that won Paulina the Drumeo 2023 Rock Drummer of the Year award.

This was released in full on 08/29/2023, exactly a year after the concerts. It’s been viewed over 1.9 million times since:

https://youtu.be/7hbBa1-1p7M?si=WXsGgxEGJXYfsPgA

Now, wouldn't you rather watch something that good, than some crappy cell phone video made from the 14th row? I would.

BebuLamar

burkphoto wrote:

Lawyers. Music companies hire good lawyers.

The band, promoters, record company, music publisher, and probably other parties want to reserve the right to exploit the band's licensed public image. It's not the 1970s any more, when no one worried if you walked in with two Nikons and four lenses. Bags weren't searched. Bands took a liberal view of photographers and said, "Sure, take all you want! We know you love us. Show all your friends."

Bands sell their own CDs, downloads, posters, logo clothing, key rings, and other trinkets, both at the concert venue and on their Internet sites. They LICENSE their personal appearances, logos, photos, and everything else (lyrics, sheet music, recordings, etc.). So they don't want someone with a PROFESSIONAL quality camera or audio recorder or video camera draining off their potential income.

MOST musicians don't make a lot of money. They have to tour constantly to build their brand, because the pittance they make from Spotify, Reverb Nation, Apple Music, etc. is not a sustaining income. Only the very top tier of musicians get wealthy from their craft. Their record companies get most of the proceeds from CD and vinyl sales.

One way an international touring band knows they have "made it" is by the amount of fake merchandise sold in the streets outside concert venues. I would rather buy "merch" from a band's web site, where I know they are making something from it. If there's a $15 T-shirt for sale outside a venue, I know it's fake. The real merch table is inside. They sell a better quality shirt, but it probably costs $60. The same shirt on the band's website probably costs $30.

Mexican child prodigy sister rockers The Warning have an incredibly good video of their two show, sold-out, August, 2022, concert at Teatro Metropolitan, in Mexico City. The introductory scenes of the film show people lined up in the street waiting to get in, and there are dozens and dozens of street vendors selling every form of "fake logo merch" that's conceivable. The band laughed it off, but they would much rather sell you better stuff on their site.

Today, people with cell phones can make photos and videos that are "good enough" to satisfy many fans. A day after a concert, the Internet is flooded with crappy audio on videos of last night's concert. If the band had the show professionally filmed, and recorded all the audio straight from each microphone to a digital track on a computer, for professional mixing in post-production, they may take MONTHS to churn out a top notch concert video. But it'll be worth the wait!

If you like classic rock, watch the first 30 minutes of this, and you'll quite possibly watch all 22 songs. It was professionally recorded and filmed. It has absolutely headphone-worthy, high quality audio and video work on it. The performance is top-of-game. The light show is unreal. (Daniela's stage announcements are in Spanish, but they sing 20 songs in English.) Don't miss their remake of *Enter Sandman.* And don't miss 23. It's one of the performances that won Paulina the Drumeo 2023 Rock Drummer of the Year award.

This was released in full on 08/29/2023, exactly a year after the concerts. It’s been viewed over 1.9 million times since:

https://youtu.be/7hbBa1-1p7M?si=WXsGgxEGJXYfsPgA

Now, wouldn't you rather watch something that good, than some crappy cell phone video made from the 14th row? I would.

Lawyers. Music companies hire good lawyers. br br... (show quote)

Aha! Perhaps performing on the streets with a hat isn't as bad as it looks.

Hip Coyote

hugEDhog wrote:

Promoters are afraid that someone in the audience is a better photographer than their “hired” ones.

I doubt that. The notion is almost comical. They want to control copyrights. Some goober in the crowd, with limited access is not going to get better shots than a pro, who probably has hundreds of such events under their belts. Just go and enjoy the concert.

Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York

Hip Coyote wrote:

……Just go and enjoy the concert.

I’ve gone to some favorite concerts! PINK FLOYD, Kansas, Boston, etc. I Had a great time listening to the music and being with friends! A keychain, a photo or a CD will never replace the memories.

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hugEDhog wrote:

Why do they prohibit cameras in enclosed venues? Smartphones are good enough if you’re near the stage but if you’re far out there you need a zoom lens. Your thoughts.

Becuz they can ?

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hugEDhog wrote:

Promoters are afraid that someone in the audience is a better photographer than their “hired” ones.

Uh huh. They dont get stuff like the attached !

Pocket size "one inch" zoom at max FL.

(Download)

PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA

BebuLamar wrote:

Yeah they don't want to take pictures of their venues. I don't want to take pictures where they don't want me to take pictures.

It usually isn't the venue. It is the contracts with the performers who want royalties on their image, performance.

MJPerini

Sometimes it is also in the Artist's 'rider' because they want control of images and bootleg sound.
There are usually 'official' Photographers and recordists (both venue & Artist).
They have had to allow Phones, because it would be pretty difficult to enforce (or administer) a phone ban.
It has gotten more lenient in recent years, but depends on the Artist & Venue

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

PHRubin wrote:

It usually isn't the venue. It is the contracts with the performers who want royalties on their image, performance.

Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York

Imagine telling everyone that their cellphones would not be allowed. Try to enforce that! That would be a major riot at the entrance to the venue. I would like to photograph a niche of security guards getting beat up by an angry mob of cell phone users.

cahale Loc: San Angelo, TX

hugEDhog wrote:

Why do they prohibit cameras in enclosed venues? Smartphones are good enough if you’re near the stage but if you’re far out there you need a zoom lens. Your thoughts.

Perhaps they feel as a few of us do. Cameras might actually accomplish something.

OddRockerPhotography Loc: Virginia

The artist wants to control their image and it’s use.

They will approve a photographer working on behalf of a website (or magazine) if it will benefit the artist, usually by providing reviews/photos of the performance.

The photos will be of professional caliber/quality and could potentially be used for other purposes such as album covers or other promotional items.

The photographer retains all rights to the photos he takes unless he signs away the rights to the artist.

cahale Loc: San Angelo, TX

burkphoto wrote:

Lawyers. Music companies hire good lawyers.

The band, promoters, record company, music publisher, and probably other parties want to reserve the right to exploit the band's licensed public image. It's not the 1970s any more, when no one worried if you walked in with two Nikons and four lenses. Bags weren't searched. Bands took a liberal view of photographers and said, "Sure, take all you want! We know you love us. Show all your friends."

Bands sell their own CDs, downloads, posters, logo clothing, key rings, and other trinkets, both at the concert venue and on their Internet sites. They LICENSE their personal appearances, logos, photos, and everything else (lyrics, sheet music, recordings, etc.). So they don't want someone with a PROFESSIONAL quality camera or audio recorder or video camera draining off their potential income.

MOST musicians don't make a lot of money. They have to tour constantly to build their brand, because the pittance they make from Spotify, Reverb Nation, Apple Music, etc. is not a sustaining income. Only the very top tier of musicians get wealthy from their craft. Their record companies get most of the proceeds from CD and vinyl sales.

One way an international touring band knows they have "made it" is by the amount of fake merchandise sold in the streets outside concert venues. I would rather buy "merch" from a band's web site, where I know they are making something from it. If there's a $15 T-shirt for sale outside a venue, I know it's fake. The real merch table is inside. They sell a better quality shirt, but it probably costs $60. The same shirt on the band's website probably costs $30.

Mexican child prodigy sister rockers The Warning have an incredibly good video of their two show, sold-out, August, 2022, concert at Teatro Metropolitan, in Mexico City. The introductory scenes of the film show people lined up in the street waiting to get in, and there are dozens and dozens of street vendors selling every form of "fake logo merch" that's conceivable. The band laughed it off, but they would much rather sell you better stuff on their site.

Today, people with cell phones can make photos and videos that are "good enough" to satisfy many fans. A day after a concert, the Internet is flooded with crappy audio on videos of last night's concert. If the band had the show professionally filmed, and recorded all the audio straight from each microphone to a digital track on a computer, for professional mixing in post-production, they may take MONTHS to churn out a top notch concert video. But it'll be worth the wait!

If you like classic rock, watch the first 30 minutes of this, and you'll quite possibly watch all 22 songs. It was professionally recorded and filmed. It has absolutely headphone-worthy, high quality audio and video work on it. The performance is top-of-game. The light show is unreal. (Daniela's stage announcements are in Spanish, but they sing 20 songs in English.) Don't miss their remake of *Enter Sandman.* And don't miss 23. It's one of the performances that won Paulina the Drumeo 2023 Rock Drummer of the Year award.

This was released in full on 08/29/2023, exactly a year after the concerts. It’s been viewed over 1.9 million times since:

https://youtu.be/7hbBa1-1p7M?si=WXsGgxEGJXYfsPgA

Now, wouldn't you rather watch something that good, than some crappy cell phone video made from the 14th row? I would.

Lawyers. Music companies hire good lawyers. br br... (show quote)

No, I'd rather watch it from the comfort of my own recliner. And with so many diverse music videos available on YouTube, I can. I have been to one "concert" in my life, at a rather young age, and that cured me of the urge for life.

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

Scruples wrote:

Imagine telling everyone that their cellphones would not be allowed. Try to enforce that! That would be a major riot at the entrance to the venue. I would like to photograph a niche of security guards getting beat up by an angry mob of cell phone users.