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"GPS" navigation in 1971
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Feb 26, 2024 00:18:35   #
ecblackiii Loc: Maryland
 

A fascinating story, told by the people who made the miracle happen!

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Feb 26, 2024 01:40:42   #
Merlin1300 Loc: New England, But Now & Forever SoTX
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
The first time I came across a GPS system was probably in the late '80s, where there was some research at MIT that used the GPS signal to keep track of ionospheric changes.
Probably a little known fact that the GPS algorithm must use Einstein's theory of relativity to compensate for the relative speed of the radio transmissions from each satellite. As the dielectric constant of the ionosphere changes - so changes the speed of the electromagnetic waves through it.

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Feb 26, 2024 03:52:34   #
Schoee Loc: Europe
 
Charles Whittier wrote:
In 1969 I was transferred from a ship in Miami to the U.S. Coastguard Cutter Storis, WAGB-38, in Kodiak Alaska. One of our Missions was to have the US Coastal and Geodetic Survey onboard to map the Bering Sea Ocean floor. Also they installed on the top of our ship a spiral antenna to study satellite navagation called the Omega System. Up to that time Navy and Coast Guard ships relied on LORAN to find their pisition on the charts. Its accuracy was about 1 tenth by 2 tenths of a mile. The man installing the antenna said Omega was accurate to 3/8ths of an inch because that was the diameter of the receiving antenna on the ship. This was 50 plus years ago.
In 1969 I was transferred from a ship in Miami to ... (show quote)


I hope you did not believe his theory on the accuracy being 3/8ths of an inch.

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Feb 26, 2024 07:05:58   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
Schoee wrote:
I hope you did not believe his theory on the accuracy being 3/8ths of an inch.


Such accuracy can be achieved using ground-based local signals.

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Feb 26, 2024 07:19:48   #
Schoee Loc: Europe
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
Such accuracy can be achieved using ground-based local signals.


That would not be the Omega system then you mean? I don’t think even differential GPS has that accuracy. Differential GPS best can get about half to one and a half inches.

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Feb 26, 2024 08:44:29   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
Schoee wrote:
That would not be the Omega system then you mean? I don’t think even differential GPS has that accuracy. Differential GPS best can get about half to one and a half inches.


Depends on how local we're talking about. Location systems on a farm want to be pretty accurate. If you're cultivating a crop you want centimeter accuracy to avoid wiping out the crop.

A long time ago I thought about how I could define a simple system to locate my cultivator. Then I could use a robot in the field to keep it weeded. Thought about sonar, easy to produce and detect signals, timing of signals is fairly coarse so fine intervals could be detected, but then I realized that sound signals are going to be affected by wind, so a breeze would create an offset that you would have to correct for, and wind fields are not always uniform across large areas so you need additional wind sensors to do the correction and it got out of hand.

Robot weeders do exist now, but they're out of a small farm budget. So the kid with a hoe is cheaper (although they need calibration).

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Mar 2, 2024 08:49:31   #
Robertski Loc: So California
 
I've been thinking how useful GPS is and just bought a USB GPS Dongle so my desktop computer can use programs (weather) that can use Lat & Long. In 1978 I crewed a sailboat to Tahiti that the owner had installed the Omega satellite system on. The Omega could skip lanes by about 20 miles each time, so by the time we got close to French Polynesia, the Omega was 60 miles off course. I had time to learn how to use a sextant, so I trusted it instead. 60 miles is enough to miss an island entirely. We avoided low atolls that were only as tall as their palm trees, due to all the stories of sunken ships on the reefs. I now see YouTube videos of how wonderful those low atolls (Tuamotus) would have been for diving and lagoons. Now days, GPS would allow a boat to find the inlets more safely. I do have a yellow 1971 VW bug in the garage, so maybe I'll install the tape deck to get around if I ever get it running.

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Mar 3, 2024 20:01:56   #
Merlin1300 Loc: New England, But Now & Forever SoTX
 
Robertski wrote:
I've been thinking how useful GPS is and just bought a USB GPS Dongle
so my desktop computer can use programs (weather) that can use Lat & Long.
Parkinson knew Omega was Crap - though the Navy took years to admit it.
Just get an iFoan or Android Phone - or maybe a stand-alone Garmin etc.
Their current GPS Nav Solutions will get you within feet of where you want your sailboat or Anyboat to be.

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