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Mar 1, 2024 18:46:44   #
BebuLamar
 
burkphoto wrote:
Electronic shutters are revolutionary, IMHO. Not making noise or attracting attention to the photographer is essential for making images without altering peoples' behavior. The articulating OLED screen on my camera is another game changer, because it allows working surreptitiously at events, and without leaning over my studio copy stand.


I don't care about quietness as I like the sound of the shutter and mirror but I do like electronic shutter for its accuracy. Mechanical shutters are so inaccurate in my opinion.

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Mar 1, 2024 21:15:21   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I don't care about quietness as I like the sound of the shutter and mirror but I do like electronic shutter for its accuracy. Mechanical shutters are so inaccurate in my opinion.


In public settings, it's not whether we like the sound of a shutter that counts. It's what non-photographers trying to pay attention to a presentation or event think.

Every time I hear a cacophony of press core photographers' shutters drowning out a person at a podium (or sitting in a chair five feet below a few shotgun mics), I am glad for the eventual takeover of mirrorless cameras with global readout electronic shutters. NOT hearing an important speaker's words is very frustrating.

In my youth, I spent 14 years in radio, commercial radio advertising production, and audiovisual production. Clean, noise free audio with intelligible speech is important to me. The easiest thing to do to ensure the speaker can be understood is to improve the desired vocal to background noise ratio. Silencing cameras and side conversations is the first place to start. Getting the right microphones closer to the desired sound sources is equally important, and works the best. But sometimes the only approach is reducing the noise. It's not the best, but when mics are more than a foot from a person speaking, it's the most desirable fix.

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Mar 1, 2024 22:05:02   #
BebuLamar
 
burkphoto wrote:
In public settings, it's not whether we like the sound of a shutter that counts. It's what non-photographers trying to pay attention to a presentation or event think.

Every time I hear a cacophony of press core photographers' shutters drowning out a person at a podium (or sitting in a chair five feet below a few shotgun mics), I am glad for the eventual takeover of mirrorless cameras with global readout electronic shutters. NOT hearing an important speaker's words is very frustrating.

In my youth, I spent 14 years in radio, commercial radio advertising production, and audiovisual production. Clean, noise free audio with intelligible speech is important to me. The easiest thing to do to ensure the speaker can be understood is to improve the desired vocal to background noise ratio. Silencing cameras and side conversations is the first place to start. Getting the right microphones closer to the desired sound sources is equally important, and works the best. But sometimes the only approach is reducing the noise. It's not the best, but when mics are more than a foot from a person speaking, it's the most desirable fix.
In public settings, it's not whether we like the s... (show quote)


You are a pro. I am not and I don't take pictures in those places.

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Mar 1, 2024 22:46:35   #
User ID
 
burkphoto wrote:
I think I said 1/30…

A few Hawgsters love to post silly numbers, knowing full well that 94.043% of Hawgs are 103.333% math impaired.

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Mar 1, 2024 22:47:42   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
BebuLamar wrote:
You are a pro. I am not and I don't take pictures in those places.


Guilty as charged...

I did, however get an evil eye from Ian Anderson back in 1973 when I photographed Jethro Tull in concert at Clemson University. It was during a quiet flute interlude. He heard the 'click' from my Nikon and flashed me a glance right after the scene below that said, "Asshole!" He didn't miss a note, though.

That was the point when I learned to choose my moments more wisely. Fortunately, it was the 1970s and the audience was so stoned they didn't care!

Ian Anderson, Jethro Tull, May, 1973.
Ian Anderson, Jethro Tull, May, 1973....
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Mar 2, 2024 02:55:18   #
Randyfrieder Loc: Long Island, New York
 
burkphoto wrote:
Electronic shutters are revolutionary, IMHO. Not making noise or attracting attention to the photographer is essential for making images without altering peoples' behavior. The articulating OLED screen on my camera is another game changer, because it allows working surreptitiously at events, and without leaning over my studio copy stand.


I absolutely agree.
Multiple candid shots are so much easier, now
With a D850, for example, I could usually get one shot before a subject noticed the sound and became aware of me shooting.
No sound enables a whole different opportunity for multiple shots.

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Mar 2, 2024 03:02:28   #
Randyfrieder Loc: Long Island, New York
 
burkphoto wrote:
Guilty as charged...

I did, however get an evil eye from Ian Anderson back in 1973 when I photographed Jethro Tull in concert at Clemson University. It was during a quiet flute interlude. He heard the 'click' from my Nikon and flashed me a glance right after the scene below that said, "Asshole!" He didn't miss a note, though.

That was the point when I learned to choose my moments more wisely. Fortunately, it was the 1970s and the audience was so stoned they didn't care!


Great shot.
I saw and shot Ian Anderson, and Tull, from the stadium seating, also in 1973, on Long Island.

Anderson , with his “codpiece” and playing his flute, on one leg, like a flamingo, was a great subject for concert photos. Great performer, great show!
I graduated high school in 1975. Jethro Tull records, yes, I’m old, records, got me through high school!!

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Mar 2, 2024 09:56:44   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Randyfrieder wrote:
Great shot.
I saw and shot Ian Anderson, and Tull, from the stadium seating, also in 1973, on Long Island.

Anderson , with his “codpiece” and playing his flute, on one leg, like a flamingo, was a great subject for concert photos. Great performer, great show!
I graduated high school in 1975. Jethro Tull records, yes, I’m old, records, got me through high school!!


Thanks! It was a great concert. I was a senior in high school, covering the concert for the music column I wrote in our school paper. I'd never really paid attention to Tull before, but I went out and bought several LPs after that!

Last thing I remember from that concert was that the telephone on the stool rang (see photo). Ian picks it up, and says, "Hello?" Then smiles at the audience and says, "It's for you!" Of course, we were all wondering, throughout the concert, what the phone had to do with the music. NOTHING! We'd been had. Great joke.

If you like classic rock, check out the power trio The Warning. This is one hell of a 22-song live show, one of the most well-recorded pieces of rock audio I've ever heard:

https://youtu.be/7hbBa1-1p7M?si=WXsGgxEGJXYfsPgA

The video is edited from two sold out shows at The Metropolitan Theater in Mexico City. The audio is from whichever show had the better takes. We hear a few background tracks that the drummer plays from her Mac, but it's all them (and Canadian artist, Alessia Cara, who collaborated on their total remake of Metallica's Enter Sandman, originally recorded FOR Metallica's Black List album.

BTW, these kids are brilliant, bilingual, and Mexican. English is their second language, but only two of their songs are in Spanish. They wrote, composed, recorded, and performed a "rock novel" concept album, Queen of the Murder Scene, released in late 2018. They were 18, 16, and 13 when they performed the debut concert (Live at Lunario, 2018, on The Warning YouTube channel).

More about them here: https://youtu.be/s7iQG0ug4HI?si=4qmUDebqbMwPFyfk

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Mar 2, 2024 10:07:48   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
burkphoto wrote:
Thanks! It was a great concert. I was a senior in high school, covering the concert for the music column I wrote in our school paper. I'd never really paid attention to Tull before, but I went out and bought several LPs after that!

Last thing I remember from that concert was that the telephone on the stool rang (see photo). Ian picks it up, and says, "Hello?" Then smiles at the audience and says, "It's for you!" Of course, we were all wondering, throughout the concert, what the phone had to do with the music. NOTHING! We'd been had. Great joke.

If you like classic rock, check out the power trio The Warning. This is one hell of a 22-song live show, one of the most well-recorded pieces of rock audio I've ever heard:

https://youtu.be/7hbBa1-1p7M?si=WXsGgxEGJXYfsPgA

The video is edited from two sold out shows at The Metropolitan Theater in Mexico City. The audio is from whichever show had the better takes. We hear a few background tracks that the drummer plays from her Mac, but it's all them (and Canadian artist, Alessia Cara, who collaborated on their total remake of Metallica's Enter Sandman, originally recorded FOR Metallica's Black List album.

BTW, these kids are brilliant, bilingual, and Mexican. English is their second language, but only two of their songs are in Spanish. They wrote, composed, recorded, and performed a "rock novel" concept album, Queen of the Murder Scene, released in late 2018. They were 18, 16, and 13 when they performed the debut concert (Live at Lunario, 2018, on The Warning YouTube channel).

More about them here: https://youtu.be/s7iQG0ug4HI?si=4qmUDebqbMwPFyfk
Thanks! It was a great concert. I was a senior in ... (show quote)
you turned me on to The Warning several weeks ago. Wow “Heavy Metal Sisters” those girls ROCK!! What’s great is they are such sweet shy young women off stage.

Their drummer won the rock drummer award several years in a row. She really kicks butt and takes names!!

As an old rocker myself I love to see the young people playing rock and metal nevertheless is an added bonus.

It won’t be for everyone here but the old and young rockers will love them.

I like the line in the song Danger “I’m not in dander I am the danger”.

Yeah!! You go girls!!!

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Mar 2, 2024 10:13:12   #
BebuLamar
 
I made my spinning wheel last week or so and checked the shutter speed of my Nikon Df and at 1/1000 I think it's about 1/750. It's the reason why I like the electronic shutter otherwise I love the shutter sound.

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Mar 2, 2024 10:43:22   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I made my spinning wheel last week or so and checked the shutter speed of my Nikon Df and at 1/1000 I think it's about 1/750. It's the reason why I like the electronic shutter otherwise I love the shutter sound.


I would have thought your Nikon would have had a shutter sound in it's menu for electronic shutter?

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Mar 2, 2024 10:58:56   #
BebuLamar
 
Delderby wrote:
I would have thought your Nikon would have had a shutter sound in it's menu for electronic shutter?


Well my Nikon doesn't have electronic shutter. But if I have a camera with electronic shutter I wouldn't enable the sound. I don't want fake sound. I want the real shutter sound.

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Mar 2, 2024 11:16:24   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Well my Nikon doesn't have electronic shutter. But if I have a camera with electronic shutter I wouldn't enable the sound. I don't want fake sound. I want the real shutter sound.


For me, if in electronic shutter mode, the "fake sound" lets me know I actually pushed the button properly.

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Mar 2, 2024 12:14:53   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Delderby wrote:
For me, if in electronic shutter mode, the "fake sound" lets me know I actually pushed the button properly.


There are usually multiple visual ways that mirrorless cameras let you know the shutter fired. There is usually a red LED in the finder, and a review image lingers for a second or so if you turn that feature on.

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Mar 2, 2024 12:42:06   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
JD750 wrote:
you turned me on to The Warning several weeks ago. Wow “Heavy Metal Sisters” those girls ROCK!! What’s great is they are such sweet shy young women off stage.

Their drummer won the rock drummer award several years in a row. She really kicks butt and takes names!!

As an old rocker myself I love to see the young people playing rock and metal nevertheless is an added bonus.

It won’t be for everyone here but the old and young rockers will love them.

I like the line in the song Danger “I’m not in dander I am the danger”.

Yeah!! You go girls!!!
you turned me on to The Warning several weeks ago.... (show quote)


[Way off topic response...]

That's from Evolve. The penultimate version of that is EVOLVE at the MTV VMAs:

https://youtu.be/97Pxe9KTgJc?si=VZ_Q8I5yGDKzwuZW

But do watch the "After VMA Performance Movie:" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRgOl_x_gqI&t=0s

MTV is still looking for the roof to that studio!

Last month, The Warning played two concerts on ShipRocked, a Caribbean cruise boat, with 30+ other bands. A line in their song, Animosity, is, "Mayday, Mayday, this ship is going down!" An audience member yells, "I hope not!" in one of the fan videos of the show.

A couple of days later, a storm forced them into port, where the ship banged into the dock, destroying parts of it, and setting their cruise back 40 hours for repairs to the hull. I'm sure lots of jokes were made about The Warning playing that song!

For the last night's show, they were chosen to close out the week by playing a cover of AC/DCs Highway to Hell as the final encore. They had help from Michael Starr of Steel Panther on vocals and another guy on alternating lead/rhythm guitar. It's a pretty good jam, even if Ale and Pau looked bored at points... It's an easy song they would have been able to play in elementary school (if they didn't go to a parochial school!). Actually, most of the stuff they played back in 2015 at 10, 13, and 15 was more complex than Highway to Hell.

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