How Many Will Vote for Trump a 3rd Time? (Page 5): Is a sexual assaulter really different than a rapist? A distinction without a difference. The records show his actions as determined...

Triple G

[quote=SteveS][quote=Triple G]Semantics. He's guilty of sexual assault which is all encompassing![/quot

If so he would have been convicted of rape. You say all encompassing, but the law does not.[/quote]

Is a sexual assaulter really different than a rapist? A distinction without a difference. The records show his actions as determined to be rape because the judge's comments are part of the record. If overturned on appeal, then and only then will the records change. There is a difference in being liable for rape (civil) and convicted of rape (criminal). That doesn't change his actions; just the legal terminology.

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

Triple G wrote:

Is a sexual assaulter really different than a rapist? A distinction without a difference. The records show his actions as determined to be rape because the judge's comments are part of the record. If overturned on appeal, then and only then will the records change. There is a difference in being liable for rape (civil) and convicted of rape (criminal). That doesn't change his actions; just the legal terminology.

Amazing the judge SAYS rape, a violent felony, but he is given a civil penalty. Even to someone on the Left that sounds like lying ass bullshit to me and supposed victim.

What about other men she has accused? When is their trial date? Shouldn’t they be put on trial too? Or is the lying corrupt Left Wing judge and supposed victim ONLY concerned with F’ing over Trump?

Dennis

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

dennis2146 wrote:

Amazing the judge SAYS rape, a violent felony, but he is given a civil penalty. Even to someone on the Left that sounds like lying ass bullshit to me and supposed victim.

What about other men she has accused? When is their trial date? Shouldn’t they be put on trial too? Or is the lying corrupt Left Wing judge and supposed victim ONLY concerned with F’ing over Trump?

Dennis

Sounds like a bit like the O.J. scenario.

Triple G

DaveO wrote:

Sounds like a bit like the O.J. scenario.

Very much so, but without the criminal court acquittal.

Triple G

dennis2146 wrote:

Amazing the judge SAYS rape, a violent felony, but he is given a civil penalty. Even to someone on the Left that sounds like lying ass bullshit to me and supposed victim.

What about other men she has accused? When is their trial date? Shouldn’t they be put on trial too? Or is the lying corrupt Left Wing judge and supposed victim ONLY concerned with F’ing over Trump?

Dennis

More whatabouts that don't change an outcome by a jury that you refuse to believe as fact.

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

DaveO wrote:

Sounds like a bit like the O.J. scenario.

No lil davey it doesn’t. She has accused several men of the same thing. How strange it was ONLY believed Trump did if by a Left Wing judge.

Dennis

SteveS Loc: The US is my home.

Triple G wrote:

More whatabouts that don't change an outcome by a jury that you refuse to believe as fact.

Just keep digging that hole you have yourself in a little deeper.

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

dennis2146 wrote:

No lil davey it doesn’t. She has accused several men of the same thing. How strange it was ONLY believed Trump did if by a Left Wing judge.

Dennis

Lol, always the clown, huh! There's no being civil with you!

If you don't see any similarities, your left/right bs makes you look foolish yet again.

Triple G

SteveS wrote:

Just keep digging that hole you have yourself in a little deeper.

What will all the court records show that includes the judges' comments?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2024/01/29/donald-trump-rape-e-jean-carroll/72295009007/

Whether he used finger or penis to penetrate her determined whether jury could answer yes to that question. Do you consider one non-consensual penetration as rape and the other as not?

"By responding "no" to the question of whether Carroll proved Trump raped her, the jurors indicated they weren't convinced Trump penetrated Carroll with his penis, according to Kaplan, who first wrote about the issue in July when he denied Trump a new trial in the sexual abuse case.

But the jurors' conclusion that Trump sexually abused Carroll "necessarily implies" that they did, in fact, believe he penetrated her with his fingers, Kaplan said.

Here was his reasoning:

Kaplan noted his instruction to the jury that, for Trump to have sexually abused Carroll, Trump needed to have touched her sexual or intimate parts. The only allegations from Carroll that could possibly fit that bill were forcible kissing, pulling down her tights, and vaginal penetration, he said."

letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.

Texcaster wrote:

Wrong. A jury of 'we the people' found him to well and truly be a guilty ass, rapey mofo!

"Pay up Trump!" The people

Judge clarifies: Yes, Trump was found to have raped E. Jean Carroll
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/19/trump-carroll-judge-rape/

We the people live in this country, a life time deserter need not get involved.

SteveS Loc: The US is my home.

Triple G wrote:

What will all the court records show that includes the judges' comments.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2024/01/29/donald-trump-rape-e-jean-carroll/72295009007/

Whether he used finger or penis to penetrate her determined whether jury could answer yes to that question. Do you consider one non-consensual penetration as rape and the other as not?

What will Trumps criminal record say? Nothing, because he was not convicted of rape. I just gave you proof from the official court record. No matter how you continue to spin your narrative it will not change the record on file.
It doesn't matter what that judge said, the jury made the final decision.

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

letmedance wrote:

We the people live in this country, a life time deserter need not get involved.

Why not? Are we not on display to the world as some sort of example?

letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.

Triple G wrote:

Civilly found guilty of rape, but not in criminal case.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/09/jury-verdict-form-e-jean-carroll-defamation-trial-00096059

Judge confirmed that sexual assault definition included rape.

https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-rape-e-jean-carroll-sexual-abuse-jury-judge-2023-7

Did anyone ever consider that Carroll actually defamed Trump with her bogus claims?

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

letmedance wrote:

Did anyone ever consider that Carroll actually defamed Trump with her bogus claims?

How do you defame a scum-bag and traitor?

Triple G

SteveS wrote:

What will Trumps criminal record say? Nothing, because he was not convicted of rape. I just gave you proof from the official court record. No matter how you continue to spin your narrative it will not change the record on file.

No criminal record because it was not a criminal case.

There is a civil case record of all the claims including trumps' countersuit which was denied. Those records show liable for sexual assault with judges' and legal analysts that sexual assault included rape - just not determined if it was with trump's penis. The only way that changes is if an appeal overturns the verdict.

You may not believe that non-consensual vaginal penetration of any kind is rape, but that's on you. The civil record (all pertinent pages of testimony, etc.) says it is.