Manglesphoto Loc: 70 miles south of St.Louis

sippyjug104 Loc: Missouri

Curmudgeon, I suspect that any image of a deity would be conceptually generated either by the mind of man or AI, unless they posed for the camera. This causes me to wonder if one of them did appear before someone, would the image come out blurred as it does when photographing Bigfoot or an alien from outer space? 😁

goldstar46 Loc: Tampa, Fl

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Dear Curmudgeon...

My following comments are for you & others on this 'thread'

As a former member of Law Enforcement... and someone who has had an extensive background in Criminal Law as well as Civil Law... I want to 'step in here' and add my 2¢ as a private citizen...

Now, having said that... I must declare that I am NOT an attorney, and I offer no legal advice.
... My only offering here and below is that of ... "Personal Opinion" and no more !!!

If you post... you stated:
.... "The relegation of them to Christian Photography Group?"
...... Implying that somehow moderators of UHH are "violating the 1st Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which protects the "law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech" which is a direct quote from that document of the U.S. Constitution...

The point which I wish to make here to you and the members of this forum is that...
....... The above "articles" of the U.S. Consitution" were designed to 'protect the citizens' from the action as committed by the "U.S. Government" against its peoples and the U.S. Consitution does not regulate exactly how any 'private entity' must act... i.e. UHH...

Putting it in a different context... UHH, as a private "Florida Profit/Non-Profit Corporation" AKA/ Ugly Hedghod, Inc., as defined by its "Articles of Incorporation" dated back on Jan 15, 2012, with its original President of the Corp being Konstantin Goudkov, who lived in Miami Florida... and he is still Director & President according to its last corporate fillings listed with the State of Florida in 2023.

As such, UHH or Ugly Hedgehog, Inc... is viewed as a 'private individual/entity' and that entity is regulated by its Director/President and/or any/or all of any Board of Directors if that is one...

In light of the above... The operations of the UHH website are 'controlled' by the 'Rules' which are promulgated by either the 'Board of Directors' or the Director/President himself... If you don't get the resolution to your question... you must 'discover' the 'pecking order' for the 'chain of command' and follow that to the top... which just might be the Corporate President himself... Hummm!

The bottom line of what I am saying here is: "Regulation of Speech" or the "Rules" governing this UHH website is a 'matter of the above' and the entity... NOT Laws, ... I.E., YES... "The Admins & the entity CAN regulate and STOP free speech on its website..." because the 'Use of the UHH Website" is governed by the "Terms of Agreement" as established by UHH and that is a private organization...

The problem here is that there are "Rules" for each of the "Forum Catagories" and, there are "Admins" for each of the "Forum Catagories" that regulate the categories... I have not done any research, but we don't know who makes the "Rules" for each category... but -- whoever does make these "Rules" is in fact... "The Regulator" and they set the 'Tone' for each group... Like it or not.

The bottom line here regarding 'speech' is:
.... "UHH is a private entity, and the operation is governed by the entity" ... not government...

The First Amendment primarily regulates the government and restricts its (government) ability to impede free speech. It generally does not directly regulate the private sector's actions when it comes to speech. Private entities, including corporations, have more flexibility in regulating speech within their own spaces compared to the government.

One relevant Supreme Court case that illustrates this distinction is Marsh v. Alabama (1946)

In Closing... Your comment and/or concerns should first be with the Admin of the 'posted forum' and if that does not resolve the issue with "rules & regulations" you can make it 'public' by 'discussing it in OPEN on the given forum... Unless your remarks are removed by the Admin... which they have the power to do...

When you signed onto this website... You and others agreed to the "Terms of Agreement" which means... they (Admin) can do what they want to do unless over-ruled by the "Board of Directors" and/or the "Director/President" which as of last year was the originator of the UHH site... Mr. Konstantin Goudkov of Miami, Flordia...

BTW... All of the above personal information is a "Matter of Public Records" as listed with the Florida Department of State, Division of Corporations" and is public information on their website...

One final comment...
... It is my humble opinion that an appropriate way to "Air your Concerns" is to put this matter out in the wide open, on the 'Public Forum' because... to my knowledge, there is "NO Rule" which forbids this type of 'Discussion in General'......... YES, the Admin of this site can 'take it down' just like, I am fully aware that any Admin has the "Power" to take my comments down... and let me repeat... This is a private site... regulated by the 'Admins' and the President of the Corporation......

The above is IMHO and my ¢/cents..... and yes, might be taken down... Oh Well...

I will continue to follow this post out of curiosity... just to see what happens...


Cheers to everyone here
Goldstar46
George Veazey, III
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Real Nikon Lover Loc: Simi Valley, CA

When I am having coffee and donuts with Mr. Konstantin Goudkov next week, I will make sure we discuss this thread and come up with an equitable solution in the terms of service (TOS) in the negotiations with Elon on the acquisition settlement.

srg

Religion is a belief.
It should be held privately.
It should not be associated with either government or UHH.

maxlieberman Loc: 19027

Religious imagery has been staple of art since long before there was a Christian religion. I am not Christian, but would not be offended by an image purporting to be Jesus, whether AI generated or otherwise. The administrators have allowed wholly AI generated images to appear in the Gallery in the past, and don't see why this one (which I have not seen) should be treated differently. This is not a first amendment issue, but simply one of judgment and evenhanded treatment by administrators.

Whether the image should have been allowed in the Gallery, or sent to General Chitchat or even the General Discussion is a matter of administrative discretion.

goldstar46 Loc: Tampa, Fl

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Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

Ergo, separation of church and state.

Forums, at the discretion of the forum owner,
not the visitors.

tshift Loc: Overland Park, KS.

As a Christian we are supposed to spread the word of our Lord and Savior to everyone NOT held privately and NOT be afraid to do so!! Thanks BE SAFE!!

Tom

Rongnongno Loc: FL

And we end in the attic, as expected.

*click*

tommystrat Loc: Bigfork, Montana

Clearly you have not visited the Christian Photography section in a long time. Even a brief look would show categorically that the posts there are affirming, positive, and express a love and longing for Jesus - exactly what the section was intended to present. There has not been one hateful, accusatory or hostile posting in well over a year (which is as far back as I looked) there. But I suppose that nowadays the issue of a Christian's faith is cause for immediate rejection, fear and hatred, as is so clearly expressed in your narrow post.

srt101fan

The manager of the UHH AI section has stated that he objected to the text in the image, not the image itself.

Watash

The post Stasi will kick your door down, and you will just disappear.

NateB

I agree with you! 👍👍

Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington

Some folks have a hard time accepting that this free-to-use website is not also free to be you and me

UHH owner "Admin" has made it clear that no nudity is allowed anywhere on UHH except the one section designed to display it. UHH owner "Admin" has made it clear that no politics are allowed in General Chit Chat. I couldn't find any specific reference to religious content, however.

Most volunteer-managed sections have guidelines relative to their specialty (such as Black and White not allowing color) and references to courtesy and constructive feedback. I didn't see the post being discussed here, and being a current manager of Digital Artistry and former manager of Post Processing Forum, I'm not going to second-guess the AI Creation manager's decision nor say what I "might" have done.

Admin has shown a willingness to create new sections when someone steps forward to volunteer to manage - hence, our 50+ forums to date So, a new "AI Artistry and Photography - all religions welcomed" might be a possibility.

Bottom line is UHH is a private entity. We are guests.