Art for Arts sake or Art that other people might want
Feb 14, 2024 15:28:45 #
CHG_CANON wrote:
Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which images to PhotoShop.
Right on the button.
Feb 14, 2024 15:29:35 #
btbg wrote:
You are right in a lot of what you say, but not all of it. People do care where the photo is taken.
For example, in sports photography they want a photo of ..............
For example, in sports photography they want a photo of ..............
Thaz what happens if you discuss Art on UHH.
Feb 14, 2024 15:35:12 #
R.G. wrote:
If that's what you believe to be true, why don't you recommend that the OP put it to the test?
Its already been done by others. Its being done continuously, but only by those in a secure position to do so.
I mean no disrespect toward the OP but my well edumacated guess is that he is not in a position to demonstrate it by using his own personal images. I know NOTHING of his personal images. And no need of it. Im just guessing at his status in the marketplace.
Feb 14, 2024 15:49:47 #
Feb 14, 2024 15:52:27 #
Timmers wrote:
Here is your answer: Ansel Adams, Moon Rise, Hernandez New Mexico, 1941.
Taken while he was traveling between commercial jobs.
Taken while he was traveling between commercial jobs.
Yup ! One of the best known examples of marketing a nothing burger.
Feb 14, 2024 15:56:00 #
srt101fan wrote:
Art doesn't have to be "understood"....
It might even defy understanding.
Aprreciation or fascination acoarst dont require even the sightest understanding.
Feb 14, 2024 15:56:52 #
User ID wrote:
It might even defy understanding.
Aprreciation or fascination acoarst dont require even the sightest understanding.
Aprreciation or fascination acoarst dont require even the sightest understanding.
Feb 14, 2024 16:08:18 #
JohnSwanda wrote:
I was reacting to your statement that "art th... (show quote)
I had said elsewhere that self expression sells better as you move upmarket. I think we are saying the same thing. I do appreciate your exposition of it in that post.
Ill add that bottom of the market buyers buy pictures. Its a commodity like "paintings from Sears" or a "Velvet Elvis". Its housewares.
OTOH, in the upper ranges buyers are paying to support artists out of appreciation for their vision. Theyre NOT buying merchandise or a commodity. AAMOF, there are legal decisions that such buyers only buy the right to retain the artifact, but do not literally own the art. Art forever belongs to the artist. The artist SHARES his art with the "buyer", for a price.
Feb 14, 2024 16:15:24 #
zarathu wrote:
I struggle with making photographs that people will want---
Once you are comfortable that you honestly like your photos, the rest will come.
Garden Party
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7TQk5R0OyQ
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Feb 14, 2024 16:21:12 #
CHG_CANON wrote:
Anyone can click the OP's username (a URL) and then view their topics-created, particularly those in the image-sharing subsections. I found several amazing close-up / macro work from the OP, serious works of 'art' to my eyes. Alas, no example landscapes. Possibly, the landscape genre is a skill-development area for the OP? The sparseness of the OP's question leaves much room for the guess-games the UHH community loves to play.
Maybe the OP recognizes landscapes as a predominantly downmarket commodity ?
Feb 14, 2024 16:52:45 #
Just from my own personal experience:
I am an artist of the paint and brush kind (for 82 years) and have sold everything I ever painted with the exception of 10 or 12 painting that I kept for my own collection... that's because I target my customers...in other words, I started going to horse shows and painting horses...I sell those to horse lovers, dog pictures for dog lovers, cat pictures for cat lovers, landscapes, flowers, birds...etc.
BUT, I do sell some photos too, the same way. Take photos of things you know people love. Flowers, birds, old barns, waterfalls, still life and landscapes seem to get a lot of attention. Those are things people love to have on their walls. Put dog and cat portraits on dog and cat groups...horses on horse groups...even chickens. You'll be surprised how many you can sell. Best wishes.
I am an artist of the paint and brush kind (for 82 years) and have sold everything I ever painted with the exception of 10 or 12 painting that I kept for my own collection... that's because I target my customers...in other words, I started going to horse shows and painting horses...I sell those to horse lovers, dog pictures for dog lovers, cat pictures for cat lovers, landscapes, flowers, birds...etc.
BUT, I do sell some photos too, the same way. Take photos of things you know people love. Flowers, birds, old barns, waterfalls, still life and landscapes seem to get a lot of attention. Those are things people love to have on their walls. Put dog and cat portraits on dog and cat groups...horses on horse groups...even chickens. You'll be surprised how many you can sell. Best wishes.
Feb 14, 2024 20:05:21 #
zarathu wrote:
I struggle with making photographs that people will want---even if they are unusual vs photos that the only person who wants them is the creator.
For me enlarged snapshots of my vacation visits is not photography. It's just personal memories. I have the same problem with street photography(SP). I guess SP is A CATALOGING OF LIFE but how many want these phots enlarged to 13 x 19, framed at 16 x 22 and hung up in their living room?
For me enlarged snapshots of my vacation visits is not photography. It's just personal memories. I have the same problem with street photography(SP). I guess SP is A CATALOGING OF LIFE but how many want these phots enlarged to 13 x 19, framed at 16 x 22 and hung up in their living room?
Looking at your archives here, it seems that some Street might widen your horizons a bit. Acoarst I know nothing more about you than what I can read from the photos I find there.
Feb 14, 2024 20:52:48 #
zarathu
Loc: Bar Harbor, MDI, Maine
I don’t normally do landscape, although I have some terrific ones. I don’t do people, although when I was a wedding/portrait photographer, my professional printer said my work was at the top of his people in terms of quality.
My specialty is close-up/macro. Macro is about the size of a grain of salt to about 1.5 inches. Close up is about 1.5 inches to 3 inches.
In my specialty area, I CANNOT make photos to sell because so few people do these photos. I post a lot on the FB page “Close up Photographer of the Year”. https://www.facebook.com/groups/cupoty. I have to use my real name there which is Eric Uberseder. I make photos that I think are terrific.
I had two recent sales: one was my "Measuring Spoons in Salt” and another "Milkweed Seeds Escape”. Both people were excited to put them on a wall in their house.
My specialty is close-up/macro. Macro is about the size of a grain of salt to about 1.5 inches. Close up is about 1.5 inches to 3 inches.
In my specialty area, I CANNOT make photos to sell because so few people do these photos. I post a lot on the FB page “Close up Photographer of the Year”. https://www.facebook.com/groups/cupoty. I have to use my real name there which is Eric Uberseder. I make photos that I think are terrific.
I had two recent sales: one was my "Measuring Spoons in Salt” and another "Milkweed Seeds Escape”. Both people were excited to put them on a wall in their house.
Feb 14, 2024 21:01:32 #
zarathu
Loc: Bar Harbor, MDI, Maine
User ID wrote:
Looking at your archives here, it seems that some Street might widen your horizons a bit.
I don’t do street photography. I’m not interested in documenting life as we know it.
I’m not interested in widening my horizons. That is something you do when you are young, and I am pushing 80 years old. Since I have been photographing things since 1969, I know what I like to do because except for underwater photography, micro-photography, and glamour photography, I have pretty much done everything.
I have a very small archive here.
Feb 15, 2024 01:34:39 #
User ID wrote:
Its already been done by others. Its being done continuously, but only by those in a secure position to do so....
It's not that there aren't any success stories, it's that they're very thin on the ground.
Just to recap, the opening sentence in this thread is "I struggle with making photographs that people will want..." I agree with your assessment that the OP probably isn't in a position to go down the road of trying to use "art for art's sake" to make it in the art world.
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