Sirsnapalot Loc: Hammond, Louisiana

Continue voting green and woke and that’s where you’ll wound up, asleep under the green, green grass of home!

hondo812 Loc: Massachusetts

What I find disturbing is the amount of fabricated data these science agencies use. If you have 2 recording weather stations say, 200 miles apart, they will average the data from those stations and record it as a third point located between the two live points.

chrissybabe Loc: New Zealand

This will only work if beforehand they have checked out that the weather at the two stations is very similar most of the time (a year ?) AND that the weather in-between is also similar. Otherwise it is just a guess. And I bet they don't check because it is too 'hard'. I have found that our weather forecasts, in the way I want to use it, is at best accurate maybe 20% of the time. Trouble is that the gut feel of the forecaster has to get in behind the 'facts' so they make a prediction to be on the safe side.
An example. They look up at the sky and think probably no rain there but to be on the safe side they forecast (suggest) perhaps a few scattered showers. So I don't paint that day because I don't want rain drops on my paint. The end of the day comes and no rain. I suppose they can't win really but it is so frustrating.
Weather forecasting hasn't got any better over the last 20 years.

rwoodvira

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Whether a natural process or through man-made intervention with fossil fuel burning, the simple fact is that the globe is warming - perhaps it is a bit of both. Here's an article that shows what islands may disappear by the end of the century:https://www.rd.com/list/islands-will-disappear-80-years/

I've stated before that I've discussed with other photographers that visit the Arctic and Antarctica on a yearly basis and virtually all have expressed great concern at the rapid loss of ice.

Flip side, I consulted on utilities for about 20 years. If the cause is manmade, the comment earlier that a number of countries, notably China and India, at least before I retired, were doing next to nothing to lower green house gases. It really needs to be a world-wide effort.

In the US, IMO is the government thinks that we can support a complete change-over to electric cars by utilizing solar, wind and other non-polluting sources they are gravely mistaken. The only way to accomplish this with today's technology is nuclear and even that has to be changed to better and less damaging technology. Thorium
reactors may be the answer.

hondo812 Loc: Massachusetts

It was warmer during Roman times.

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

The so-called authorities claim that Tucson, Arizona experienced it’s the hottest summer on record. That’s just out of context BS. it wasn’t the warmest summer on record in respect to high temperatures. It’s just that it stayed warmer longer than it usually does. There were only record highs for those particular days that should’ve been cooler at that point of time.

chrissybabe Loc: New Zealand

We are seeing all sorts of similar claims here in NZ. I blame media reporters and others who want to push a particular narrative (climate change, readership numbers etc) who deliberately distort, misreport, alter or change the emphasis of the facts to give more credence to their article. It is happening more often on a daily basis.

Haenzel Loc: South Holland, The Netherlands

I don't need data to be convinced earth has become warmer, I can see and feel it myself. I don't know why some people still deny it. That however is something for psychologists.....

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

How can you feel it yourself? You can actually feel a 1.6° c average change?

Haenzel Loc: South Holland, The Netherlands

I haven't sensed any real cold temps in winter for at least 20 years. I went out in my sweater today with 15 degrees celcius outside, normally around minus. I've sensed an awful lot of wind and rain last winters due to warmer ocean and sea. I also felt a really long dry period in the summers. I'll be heading to Southern Germany soon where the current temperature in a wintersport area is 24 degrees celcius. This is the right temperature for july and august. I've seen glaciers disappearing, land being flooded, villages disappeared by enormous landslides. Permafrost is disappearing, rivers cannot be sailed in summer because of low water levels. Rivers are flooding in winter because of heavy rain that normally falls as snow. Storm barriers have to be shut more often because of extreme high tide and severe storms. Dikes are giving in, letting water through underneath because of water pressure. Sweet water inlets have to be moved landinwards in order to prevent taking in salt water. It is so obvious..

srron Loc: Courtice,On.

If one reads the scientific data the change in temps projected also have a confidence level. Scientist have placed a high confidence level that the 1.4 degree temp increase will happen and low confidence that the 4 degree increase will happen. Probably most liberal news reports ignore this fact

hondo812 Loc: Massachusetts

Two hundred years ago we were coming out of a mini-ice age brought on by several very large volcanic eruptions. We had several inches of snow in Boston in July, the year without Summer. https://www.history.com/news/what-was-the-year-without-a-summer

10,000 years ago Mammoths were eating the tall grasses in Siberia when they froze in their tracks , their food still not digested. Today , Siberia is warming up revealing these finds.

11,000-5,000 years ago, the Sahara was a lush tropical forest with inland lakes.
https://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/green-sahara-african-humid-periods-paced-by-82884405/
As this article explains, it's part of the Milankovitch cycle.

We also know that it was warmer during the Roman period.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/how-climate-change-and-disease-helped-fall-rome-180967591/

Haenzel Loc: South Holland, The Netherlands

Large volcano eruption can cause temps lowering.....true. We've indeed seen temps variations thousands of years ago but what has this all got to do with the current rise in temps? (The MWP is still questioned. Some say the warming was due to an increase in incoming solar radiation paired with a relative absence of volcanic activity.)

The other week a satelite was launched that will give us more insight in what is ausing climate change / global warming. We'll see who is right...I hope I'm wrong because that would mean hope for our planet...

robertjerl Loc: Corona, California

OK, I will help you have HOPE. I have done a lot of research into "Global Warming" and "Climate Change". Before I retired from teaching, I taught about it in geography classes, world history and US History classes. In the history classes, it tied in with the "Little Ice Age" that extended from right after the fall of the Roman Empire to the 19th Century. In Geography, it tied in through Climatology which is a part of the over all category of Geography.

So, it has happened before, the Middle Ages and the Roman Empire the climate was generally warmer than now. Then the Little Ice Age struck and ended sometime between the late 18th and mid 19th century. It depends on whose ideas and data you look at. And we have been warming ever since.
Humans cause a lot of pollution and in urban areas with buildings and pavement to hold and reflect heat back and forth the temps are higher than out in the rural areas. So we have changed the patterns in some areas to a fairly small degree. But that bright thing in the sky, ocean currents, jet stream wind patterns etc. far outclass humans.
And there have been times that make the temps of the Roman Empire and Middle Ages look like the South Pole in winter. Now we are talking 100s of thousands and millions of years. During parts of the Age of Dinosaurs, places that are now ice and snow were tropical rain forest and very warm African type Savanna Grass lands.

As to the statements about "most extreme" in recorded history, there are places where they still don't keep good records. And Gabriel Daniel Fahrenheit, inventor of the mercury thermometer and the Fahrenheit temperature scale only started his work in the early 1700s while still a teenager. The previous thermometers using alcohol and water weren't very accurate or reliable - for example the ones using water froze in cold weather.

So, it is a cycle with many causes, some much more important than humans. And based on history, the warming will reverse at some point and the "Chicken Little" types will scream "The Glaciers Are Coming" (they did just a few decades ago).

Humor Break: the last major period of Glacier growth (the Ice Age) ended 11-12,000 years ago, when humans just barely had fire. Did the Ice Age end because Ug, Fred and Barney built too many camp fires?

So feel hope, the cycles will continue and things will change even if humans vanish from the earth due to some nation of idiots starting "The War" with nukes, biological warfare etc.
But that hopefully won't happen and maybe we will even adapt worldwide population control. That we need, the world population on hit 1 billion around 1804 or so and is now 8 billion and climbing.

srron Loc: Courtice,On.

Funny how we went from "world cooling" in the 70s to "global warming" in the 80s/90s to "climate change" which covers it all. It is actually alleged catastrophic climate change that people are worried about despite the thirty major climate predictions that have failed over the last 50 years or so. The weather "experts" struggle to predict tomorrows weather yet expect us to believe their predictions 100 years from now.