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Feb 12, 2024 07:53:48   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
SWFeral wrote:
... My processing of a B/W photo is more extreme than the same one in color, and I do a lot of playing with the color sliders--you'd be surprised at how that can change things...
That is a great point, one that came up in UHH discussion awhile back.

For those who enjoy processing (I most definitely do!), it's valuable knowledge.

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Feb 12, 2024 10:52:12   #
AzPicLady Loc: Behind the camera!
 
B&W requires contrast whereas colour images can depend on colour alone to be striking. But I frequently look at my images in B&W to see how much contrast there is, because even a colour image is better with contrast!

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Feb 12, 2024 12:00:52   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
The most ubiquitous reason for choosing B&W is to remove colour as a distraction. Typical reasons for doing that are when you want to emphasise shape or structure or pattern or texture. Other possible reasons are that you may want to emphasise a story that the photo is telling or some action that the photo has captured. Or perhaps there is an atmosphere or mood that the photo is hopefully going to evoke and colour would be a potential distraction. Typically B&W can be used to emphasise or create from scratch an atmosphere of drama or mystery or threat. Colour can be comforting, and removing it is removing that potential source of comfort - which may or may not suit your purposes. B&W can also be used to evoke nostalgia or to create a vintage look, especially if it's accompanied by an appropriate tint (sepia is a common example).

As others have noted, B&W almost always benefits from generous amounts of contrast - more than you would give a colour version of the shot. If it was specifically the lighting of a scene that caught your eye, B&W can be an effective way to draw attention to that aspect of the scene.

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Feb 12, 2024 12:06:16   #
FunkyL Loc: MD
 
SWFeral wrote:
I agree with Linda's suggestions. I do a fair amount of B/W photography but I never try to salvage a crummy color photo that way. Rather, I head out with B/W in my mind as what I will shoot that day. Certain weather conditions naturally lend themselves better to B/W shooting, like a bright overcast day or natural objects (rocks, branches) made a bit shinier by rain. But a strong composition is really important without color, as are all the usual suspects--shape, line, texture, contrast (unless you intentionally leave that out for effect), and movement through the image. I'm not technically well-versed so I'm winging it here. My processing of a B/W photo is more extreme than the same one in color, and I do a lot of playing with the color sliders--you'd be surprised at how that can change things. You can definitely train yourself to see a scene without color, and it's good practice.
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Thanks, SWFeral. I tend to be fairly conservative with processing, but based on your and Linda's response I'll experiment with being more "extreme" processing of the B&Ws. I intentionally took a photo of a colorful shop window, including a Pride flag, to have something with lots of colors to play with in B&W - I was fascinated by how the greys changed when I changed the colors.

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Feb 12, 2024 12:09:53   #
FunkyL Loc: MD
 
b top gun wrote:
I like B & W because I feel the viewer can get distracted by colors and not get the full impact of the image. I have set a couple of my Nikons to shoot B & W in the past; I can check the image after because it will be displayed in B & W on the rear LCD display. That being noted, a Nikon Z8, set for B & W, when you look thru the viewfinder you are already looking at a B & W image.

When I get back from a photo shoot or a Nikon holiday, I will take my favorite images from those trips and decolorize them, it is interesting to see the results and get a new perspective on the images. Sometimes Fall color images produce really cool images when they are decolorized, they can resemble IR shots to a degree.

I found for myself that shooting B & W on certain cloudy days can add "mood" to the images. Also why I prefer some clouds in the sky when shooting seascapes and landscapes. I used to not bother going out with a Nikon on overcast days; no more, at least when there is good contrast produced by the clouds, that contrast is important.

B & W can grab ya when done right. One of my favorite quotes about photography goes..."Don't shoot what you see; shoot what you feel!" YES!!! I got a good shot of the Alaska Range and Denali specifically this September past; the color image is very good but the B & W talks to me more, and has better contrast. I have the B & W hanging on a wall at home.

Some flower images look great when decolorized; take a red rose and decolorize it, sometimes the rose will appear to be a smooth grey velvet.

A good B & W has good contrast and good shadows, and its composition is more obvious, to me.

Another trick I have made use of, take a photo I have had for quite a while and flip it around, now you have a whole new image. This does not work obviously if you have text or signage in the shot.
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Thanks for your thoughts - I'll keep them in mind as I experiment, and I'll definitely try the red rose when we get some this spring.

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Feb 12, 2024 12:12:05   #
SWFeral Loc: SWNM
 
FunkyL wrote:
Thanks, SWFeral. I tend to be fairly conservative with processing, but based on your and Linda's response I'll experiment with being more "extreme" processing of the B&Ws. I intentionally took a photo of a colorful shop window, including a Pride flag, to have something with lots of colors to play with in B&W - I was fascinated by how the greys changed when I changed the colors.


You're welcome. You'll find your own way. Please show us what you come up with.

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Feb 12, 2024 12:14:09   #
FunkyL Loc: MD
 
R.G. wrote:
The most ubiquitous reason for choosing B&W is to remove colour as a distraction. Typical reasons for doing that are when you want to emphasise shape or structure or pattern or texture. Other possible reasons are that you may want to emphasise a story that the photo is telling or some action that the photo has captured. Or perhaps there is an atmosphere or mood that the photo is hopefully going to evoke and colour would be a potential distraction. Typically B&W can be used to emphasise or create from scratch an atmosphere of drama or mystery or threat. Colour can be comforting, and removing it is removing that potential source of comfort - which may or may not suit your purposes. B&W can also be used to evoke nostalgia or to create a vintage look, especially if it's accompanied by an appropriate tint (sepia is a common example).

As others have noted, B&W almost always benefits from generous amounts of contrast - more than you would give a colour version of the shot. If it was specifically the lighting of a scene that caught your eye, B&W can be an effective way to draw attention to that aspect of the scene.
The most ubiquitous reason for choosing B&W is... (show quote)


Thanks R G. Lack of contrast may be one of the main reasons I'm disappointed in many B&W photos I see.

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Feb 12, 2024 12:18:28   #
FunkyL Loc: MD
 
AzPicLady wrote:
B&W requires contrast whereas colour images can depend on colour alone to be striking. But I frequently look at my images in B&W to see how much contrast there is, because even a colour image is better with contrast!


Thanks Az, contrast has come up in several responses, definitely something I want to work on.

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Feb 12, 2024 12:27:11   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
FunkyL wrote:
Thanks R G. Lack of contrast may be one of the main reasons I'm disappointed in many B&W photos I see.


You're welcome. Very often it isn't so much about how much contrast you should use, it's more about where on the luminosity spectrum to put the contrast. And if you find that adding contrast is resulting in darks that are too solid or lacking detail you can use the Blacks slider (and to a lesser extent the Shadows slider) to mitigate those unwanted effects. Likewise, if the highlights are becoming just a bit too harsh you can use the Whites and Highlights sliders to moderate the effect.

I would recommend using the Contrast slider and the Tones sliders (as listed above and also the Brightness or Exposure slider) to achieve the contrast and brightness levels that you want. I would leave the Clarity slider to the end of the edit and use it for minor tweaking only. Excessive use of the Clarity slider can very quickly result in an over-harsh look (and unwanted diffuse haloing).

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Feb 12, 2024 12:41:30   #
BobHartung Loc: Bettendorf, IA
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
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Instead, start looking for textures, tones, contrast, light and shadow, shapes. Sometimes you want to remove the distraction of color - such as in much of street photography.

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You've already discovered how similar tones in color become blah in b&w. You've dabbled with color filters in pp, so you've seen how those affect the result. Study "tonal range" further.

If you're shooting in raw, does your camera have a setting that will display the image in black and white (in-camera only)? That can help you learn to see. Sometimes squinting reduces color saturation - that was a tip I learned with b&w film

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Bingo!

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Feb 12, 2024 15:33:18   #
SENSORLOUPE
 
AzPicLady wrote:
B&W requires contrast whereas colour images can depend on colour alone to be striking. But I frequently look at my images in B&W to see how much contrast there is, because even a colour image is better with contrast!


I agree AzPicLady. I think that film had the best contrast in B&W. When I look back at B&W film prints, They had so much more zip! I don't have editing programs, only what came with Canon.

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Feb 12, 2024 18:01:31   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
SENSORLOUPE wrote:
... I don't have editing programs, only what came with Canon.
Nik Silver Efex is very powerful. It's part of Nik Collection, now owned by DxO. They have a 30-day free trial, if you're curious.

https://nikcollection.dxo.com/download/

Of course, many folks prefer other activities to taking a deep dive into editing, which I fully understand

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Feb 12, 2024 18:19:26   #
SENSORLOUPE
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Nik Silver Efex is very powerful. It's part of Nik Collection, now owned by DxO. They have a 30-day free trial, if you're curious.

https://nikcollection.dxo.com/download/

Of course, many folks prefer other activities to taking a deep dive into editing, which I fully understand


Thank you Linda for that info. I will check it out. I'm not big on editing, but will look

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Feb 12, 2024 20:54:00   #
BassmanBruce Loc: Middle of the Mitten
 
FunkyL wrote:
Thanks, SWFeral. I tend to be fairly conservative with processing, but based on your and Linda's response I'll experiment with being more "extreme" processing of the B&Ws.


At a workshop numerous years ago the leader/presenter said regarding learning “always go to far, that way you’ll know you’ve gone far enough” (my words not his and he was discussing exsposure).
I’ve always really liked that concept.

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Feb 12, 2024 22:13:37   #
FunkyL Loc: MD
 
BassmanBruce wrote:
At a workshop numerous years ago the leader/presenter said regarding learning “always go to far, that way you’ll know you’ve gone far enough” (my words not his and he was discussing exsposure).
I’ve always really liked that concept.


I agree - in processing, I often push the slider past the point of too much, in order to help me choose that Goldilocks
point where I think its just right. but in color at least, my "just right" tends to be fairly conservative. I usually (not always) prefer my color photos to look natural/believable. Possibly this contributes to my B&W photos sometimes looking dull.

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