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Feb 8, 2024 22:03:49   #
Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado
 
Melting happened rapidly before.

Ice cores provide first documentation of rapid Antarctic ice loss in the past
— by University of Cambridge FEBRUARY 8, 2024

Evidence contained within an ice core shows that in one location the West Antarctic ice sheet thinned by 450 meters—that's more than the height of the Empire State Building—in just under 200 years.

Researchers from the University of Cambridge and the British Antarctic Survey have uncovered the first direct evidence that the West Antarctic Ice Sheet shrunk suddenly and dramatically at the end of the Last Ice Age, around eight thousand years ago.

The evidence contained within an ice core shows that in one location, the ice sheet thinned by 450 meters—that's more than the height of the Empire State Building—in just under 200 years.

This is the first evidence anywhere in Antarctica for such a fast ice loss. Scientists are worried that today's rising temperatures might destabilize parts of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet in the future, potentially passing a tipping point and inducing a runaway collapse. The new study, published in Nature Geoscience, sheds light on how quickly Antarctic ice could melt if temperatures continue to soar.

"We now have direct evidence that this ice sheet suffered rapid ice loss in the past," said Professor Eric Wolff, senior author of the new study from Cambridge's Department of Earth Sciences. "This scenario isn't something that exists only in our model predictions and it could happen again if parts of this ice sheet become unstable."

The Antarctic ice sheets, from west to east, contain enough freshwater to raise global sea levels by around 57 meters. The West Antarctic Ice Sheet is considered particularly vulnerable because much of it sits on bedrock that lies below sea level.

Model predictions suggest that a large part of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet could disappear in the next few centuries, causing sea levels to rise. Exactly when and how quickly the ice could be lost is, however, uncertain.

One way to train ice sheet models to make better predictions is to feed them with data on ice loss from periods of warming in Earth's history. At the peak of the Last Ice Age 20,000 years ago, Antarctic ice covered a larger area than today. As our planet thawed and temperatures slowly climbed, the West Antarctic Ice Sheet contracted to more or less its current extent.

"We wanted to know what happened to the West Antarctic Ice Sheet at the end of the Last Ice Age, when temperatures on Earth were rising, albeit at a slower rate than current anthropogenic warming," said Dr. Isobel Rowell, study co-author from the British Antarctic Survey. "Using ice cores, we can go back to that time and estimate the ice sheet's thickness and extent."

Ice cores are made up of layers of ice that formed as snow fell and were then buried and compacted into ice crystals over thousands of years. Trapped within each ice layer are bubbles of ancient air and contaminants that mixed with each year's snowfall—providing clues as to the changing climate and ice extent.

The researchers drilled a 651-meter-long ice core from Skytrain Ice Rise in 2019. This mound of ice sits at the edge of the ice sheet, near the point where grounded ice flows into the floating Ronne Ice Shelf.

After transporting the ice cores back to Cambridge at -20 deg. C, the researchers analyzed them to reconstruct the ice thickness. First, they measured stable water isotopes, which indicate the temperature at the time the snow fell. Temperature decreases at higher altitudes (think of cold mountain air), so they were able to equate warmer temperatures with lower-lying, thinner ice.

They also measured the pressure of air bubbles trapped in the ice. Like temperature, air pressure also varies systematically with elevation. Lower-lying, thinner ice contains higher-pressure air bubbles.

These measurements told them that ice thinned rapidly 8,000 years ago. "Once the ice thinned, it shrunk really fast," said Wolff, "this was clearly a tipping point—a runaway process."

They think this thinning was probably triggered by warm water getting underneath the edge of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet, which normally sits on bedrock. This likely untethered a section of the ice from bedrock, allowing it to float suddenly and forming what is now the Ronne Ice Shelf. This then allowed neighboring Skytrain Ice Rise, no longer restrained by grounded ice, to thin rapidly.

The researchers also found that the sodium content of the ice (originating from salt in sea spray) increased about 300 years after the ice thinned. This told them that, after the ice thinned, the ice shelf shrunk back so that the sea was hundreds of kilometers nearer to their site.

"We already knew from models that the ice thinned at around this time, but the date of this was uncertain," said Rowell. Ice sheet models placed the retreat anywhere between 12,000 and 5,000 years ago and couldn't say how quickly it happened. "We now have a very precisely dated observation of that retreat, which can be built into improved models," said Rowell.

Although the West Antarctic Ice Sheet retreated quickly 8,000 years ago, it stabilized when it reached roughly its current extent. "It's now crucial to find out whether extra warmth could destabilize the ice and cause it to start retreating again," said Wolff.

More information: Eric Wolff et al, Abrupt Holocene ice loss due to thinning and ungrounding in the Weddell Sea Embayment, Nature Geoscience (2024). DOI: 10.1038/s41561-024-01375-8.
www.nature.com/articles/s41561-024-01375-8
Journal information: Nature Geoscience
Provided by University of Cambridge

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Feb 8, 2024 22:25:58   #
bikinkawboy Loc: north central Missouri
 
Quite interesting but impossible. How could warming occur without people burning fossil fuels? Everyone knows that humans are the only thing that’s can change temperatures on a global scale. Look on the internet or watch a few Hollywood disaster films and you’ll see.

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Feb 8, 2024 23:14:39   #
kpmac Loc: Ragley, La
 
bikinkawboy wrote:
Quite interesting but impossible. How could warming occur without people burning fossil fuels? Everyone knows that humans are the only thing that’s can change temperatures on a global scale. Look on the internet or watch a few Hollywood disaster films and you’ll see.


Wonderful sarcasm. Hope this doesn't end up in the attic.

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Feb 9, 2024 00:20:00   #
Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado
 
bikinkawboy wrote:
Quite interesting but impossible. How could warming occur without people burning fossil fuels? Everyone knows that humans are the only thing that’s can change temperatures on a global scale. Look on the internet or watch a few Hollywood disaster films and you’ll see.


Was that humor or sarcasm?

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Feb 9, 2024 08:04:43   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
bikinkawboy wrote:
Quite interesting but impossible. How could warming occur without people burning fossil fuels? Everyone knows that humans are the only thing that’s can change temperatures on a global scale. Look on the internet or watch a few Hollywood disaster films and you’ll see.

So how did the world warm up from the Ice Age?
Lots and lots of campfires?

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Feb 9, 2024 08:22:05   #
sourdough58 Loc: Maine
 
Longshadow wrote:
So how did the world warm up from the Ice Age?
Lots and lots of campfires?


Exactly, campfires and hairspray.

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Feb 9, 2024 09:58:52   #
Carl S
 
The heating was caused by an accumulation of methane gas caused by the dinosaurs who were mostly vegetarians. Vegetarians tend to emit methane gas because the cellulose in their diet is not digestible which causes methane gas to be emitted. In the end and out of the end, the dinosaurs were responsible for their own demise! I know because I dated a vegetarian once!

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Feb 9, 2024 09:59:03   #
Jimmy T Loc: Virginia
 
sourdough58 wrote:
Exactly, campfires and hairspray.


Girl Scouts?????

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Feb 9, 2024 10:05:22   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Carl S wrote:
The heating was caused by an accumulation of methane gas caused by the dinosaurs who were mostly vegetarians. Vegetarians tend to emit methane gas because the cellulose in their diet is not digestible which causes methane gas to be emitted. In the end and out of the end, the dinosaurs were responsible for their own demise! I know because I dated a vegetarian once!

I'll guess methane attracts asteroids also.

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Feb 9, 2024 11:56:22   #
Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado
 
Longshadow wrote:
I'll guess methane attracts asteroids also.


No, methane is too massive a molecule to escape Earth’s gravity field. It could not directly attract an asteroid.

Methane ‘must’ alter the magnetic spin of iron. This hypothetically caused the planet to alter its magnetic field; which attracted an ~ 12 km wide asteroid from the Asteroid Belt which impacted ~65 Ma in the past — and killed the Dino’s.

Yeah, Right. <Sarcasm>

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Feb 9, 2024 11:57:36   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Wyantry wrote:
No, methane is too massive a molecule to escape Earth’s gravity field. It could not directly attract an asteroid.

Methane ‘must’ alter the magnetic spin of iron. This hypothetically caused the planet to alter its magnetic field; which attracted an ~ 12 km wide asteroid from the Asteroid Belt which impacted ~65 Ma in the past — and killed the Dino’s.

Yeah, Right. <Sarcasm>


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Feb 9, 2024 13:26:27   #
bikinkawboy Loc: north central Missouri
 
Wyantry wrote:
Was that humor or sarcasm?


I’ll let you be the judge of that. When I reread my post, I can see how a young climate doomsday’er could see me as an old fossil unwilling to see what’s right before his eyes. What they wouldn’t see is that I’ve seen enough things come and go to know that those that chirp the loudest are the ones most likely to get rich off of the idea they’re promoting. Unfortunately, often times the science can be presented in a manner that it supports those wanting to cash in on it.

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Feb 9, 2024 17:05:59   #
dc3legs Loc: Tucson
 
Any geologist can attest to the fact that climate change is a characteristic of Planet Earth's history. Human life evolves and now we're worried about it.

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Feb 9, 2024 17:24:39   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
dc3legs wrote:
Any geologist can attest to the fact that climate change is a characteristic of Planet Earth's history. Human life evolves and now we're worried about it.

Probably cyclic also.

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Feb 9, 2024 17:27:39   #
Muddyvalley Loc: McMinnville, Oregon
 
bikinkawboy wrote:
Quite interesting but impossible. How could warming occur without people burning fossil fuels? Everyone knows that humans are the only thing that’s can change temperatures on a global scale. Look on the internet or watch a few Hollywood disaster films and you’ll see.


Drop a meteor somewhere perhaps? Humans aren't the only thing that can cause climate change, but we're the current cause.

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