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Jan 31, 2024 21:45:49   #
Flyerace Loc: Mt Pleasant, WI
 
I'm originally from Mass. We have lots of functional "rotaries" on roads. They tend to be pretty big and can accommodate a semi. I now live in Wisconsin. There were no "round-abouts" here. The DOT ran amok and built one at every intersection they could. All of them so small that semis had to partially go over the center to make the turn. In some locations, they have 3 round-abouts, one after another. All too small. Finally the locals were tired of having the DOT take people's property and ruin intersections. They demanded change and our last Governor stopped the entire problem. If people objected to the potential round-about, then they would not be built. I haven't seen the out of control development anymore.

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Feb 1, 2024 07:36:28   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
NDMarks wrote:
On the other hand, we had a case here where the driver dropped a lit cigarette and while reaching down for it, swerved into the path of another vehicle, killing the driver. I always was leery about driving on rural roads.


That reminds me of a good, funny film: "Defending Your Life." Albert Brooks is driving his new Porsche, and he bends down to pick something up. Crash! He winds up in Heaven (or wherever). Everyone must watch events from their life and explain/defend them. I also stars Meryl Streep and Rip Torn. Very funny.

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Feb 1, 2024 07:50:41   #
BebuLamar
 
jerryc41 wrote:
That reminds me of a good, funny film: "Defending Your Life." Albert Brooks is driving his new Porsche, and he bends down to pick something up. Crash! He winds up in Heaven (or wherever). Everyone must watch events from their life and explain/defend them. I also stars Meryl Streep and Rip Torn. Very funny.

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I like that movie. In that movie there is not really hell because we now are in hell. If you are good you can go to heaven otherwise you will have to live another live on earth.

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Feb 1, 2024 08:47:21   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
There is now a committee in town studying "Violence on the Road." We had two hit-and-runs and a bike rider killed. I think that's more of a coincidence than "violence on the road." There was also a hit and run at a red light. One car ran into another and then took off. I have dash cams front and rear.

Two young people were walking south in the southbound lane at night, and they were hit and killed. If there is a trend, it's people wearing dark clothing at night and walking with the flow of traffic.

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Feb 1, 2024 09:30:31   #
Eyes Loc: Buffalo, NY
 
chrissybabe wrote:
It depends on the shape of the round-a-bout (remember we drive on the left side). If 4 roads I treat it the same as a cross intersection. Taking the first road off it is a left turn (left blinker), next off road is the same as going straight through so no blinker, last off road (assuming you are not going back the way you came) is a right turn so right blinker. If you see these blinkers you know where the car is going. Most round-a-bouts are 4 roaders here. If multiple roads off the round-a-bout then it is usually larger so if you see a car going round with a left blinker going what does it tell you that is useful ? It tells you that maybe the driver just forgot to turn his blinker off, or it can mean he turned it on early and is planning on turning off at some stage. You just don't know. Maybe he is going around twice (it happens) so no blinker yet. Personally I wait until it is obvious where the car is going. So blinkers mean nothing and do not help. If blinkers were so important then why aren't they made bigger and more obvious and a standardised shape and position ?
My grandfather never had an accident. He used to drive and treat other road users as if they were lunatics. I try and do the same.
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Your final points are the most valid here. Signals are totally USELESS for the rounds, esp the small (tight) ones. But one thing you DO say I find confusing: you don't make a LEFT into the 1st road after Entering .... it's a RIGHT!
At any rate, rounds are the Best invention since Ike's Interstates!!

Carl

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Feb 1, 2024 09:35:37   #
Eyes Loc: Buffalo, NY
 
tradio wrote:
Round-a-bouts seem to be the big thing around here lately. I think the idea came from Europe? I have no statistics on any safety improvements these intersections provide.


Yes, I believe England (the name!)
I TOTALLY agree with their usage! MUCH better than the old intersections, but, of course, there ARE some issues: mainly, people cheating on going around too tight, & certainly entering too fast (esp when a building is tight to the corner preventing other cars from seeing the fast-moving guy entering!).

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Feb 1, 2024 09:36:49   #
Tom DePuy Loc: Waxhaw, N.C.
 
jerryc41 wrote:
There was a fatal crash on a local highway recently, and two high school students were killed. The driver of a tractor trailer saw a car stopped to make a turn. He hit the car, swerved into the opposite lane, and hit two other cars, killing the students. This is a tragedy, of course, but is there a solution?

The state is going to study the intersection to see if changes are needed. There will be a long, expensive study, but changing the road configuration isn't going to make drivers keep their eyes on the road. From what's been written in the newspaper, the truck driver saw the stopped car too late. If the state recommends leaving the intersection as it is, I'm sure people will complain. I've lived here for over fifty years, and this is the first time I've heard of an accident occurring there. I wonder if the truck driver was texting or otherwise distracted. How else could he not see a car that was stopped in front of him?

In other crash news, a woman across the Hudson River "lost control" of her Tesla and ran into a car coming from the opposite direction - two people hospitalized. I wonder if she lost control or if the car lost control.

https://www.caranddriver.com/tesla/model-3
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Feb 1, 2024 09:47:15   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Eyes wrote:
...you don't make a LEFT into the 1st road after Entering .... it's a RIGHT!


Unless you're in England, Ireland, Australia, etc.

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Feb 1, 2024 23:50:58   #
smf85 Loc: Freeport, IL
 
tradio wrote:
Round-a-bouts seem to be the big thing around here lately. I think the idea came from Europe? I have no statistics on any safety improvements these intersections provide.


Round-a-bouts, sometimes called circuses, eliminate T-bone crashes and strongly reduce other major impacts (asce.org). There is anecdotal evidence that minor collisions occur more frequently.

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Feb 2, 2024 01:57:40   #
Haenzel Loc: South Holland, The Netherlands
 
smf85 wrote:
Round-a-bouts, sometimes called circuses, eliminate T-bone crashes and strongly reduce other major impacts (asce.org). There is anecdotal evidence that minor collisions occur more frequently.


Maybe it's simply getting used to it. I've driven many roundabouts in 48 years. I've literally never seen an accident on one of them. Junctions however.... here you see an example of a typical dutch roundabout including cycle paths and cross walks..

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Feb 2, 2024 04:15:00   #
chrissybabe Loc: New Zealand
 
I did mention that we drive on the left here. And I have had an accident on a round-a-bout as a result of a poorly maintained one.

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Feb 3, 2024 12:23:01   #
kpsk_sony
 
Tragedy is the way we've evolved in driving without paying attention. Usually the wrong folks get punished.

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Feb 4, 2024 08:23:54   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
kpsk_sony wrote:
Tragedy is the way we've evolved in driving without paying attention. Usually the wrong folks get punished.



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Feb 4, 2024 16:32:52   #
les spencer
 
So what "f stop" was he using?

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Feb 4, 2024 16:33:16   #
les spencer
 
So what "f stop" was he using?

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