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Jan 28, 2024 20:41:54   #
joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
 
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"Phone thingies" ?!?

Its perfickly clear that the OP is NOT asking about lens accessories. I still go with Pavlov. Specific keyword reliably triggers drooling in thoroughly conditioned subjects.


Such an adorable companion 🥩🥩🥩

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Jan 28, 2024 21:06:57   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
I think back in the film days, there were many photographers who didn't do darkroom work, but I doubt there were many photo lab technicians who weren't also photographers. My first job in photography was as a photo lab technician which I had learned how to do by doing my own darkroom work.

Fun, wasn't it!

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Jan 28, 2024 21:25:18   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
JZA B1 wrote:
I guess there is a difference between adjusting white balance and some Snapchat filter people apply to pics of their breakfast that completely changes the image.

Some post-processing is always (or almost always) required. Yet, when I look at some pics out there, they are just not realistic because of all the filters people apply.

It's like an attempt to make a boring pic exciting by using filters.

Where do you draw the line when processing your pictures? What do you consider necessary?
I guess there is a difference between adjusting wh... (show quote)


Necessary: Making the scene the way I see/saw it, without lying about it.

Desirable: Making the scene look interesting when I feel like it.

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Crush Thing, Somerset Winery, © 2022 Bill Burkholder, from raw digital capture with Photoshop Neural Filters applied
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Jan 28, 2024 22:15:17   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
I think back in the film days, there were many photographers who didn't do darkroom work, but I doubt there were many photo lab technicians who weren't also photographers. My first job in photography was as a photo lab technician which I had learned how to do by doing my own darkroom work.


Funny y'all should mention this!

Wehen I started my first job in a studio, as a rookie shooter I was cast into the" dungeon" a high-production darkroom facility deep in the bowels of the building. We were processing and printing the work of 12 wedding photograhers and all the production for the portrat end of the business. The boos told me at after a year in the darkroom, I will become a better and more conscientious photographer. He was 100% right! The work of the best shooters was easy to print, the lighting and range were perfect, and very few of the negatives required very much dodging, burning, and/or cropping. The results were excellent because we could concentrate on the print quality and maximize the information in each negative. A few of the shooters were somewhat careless so producing halfway decet print from the jbs was "darkroom hell"! We had to dodge and burn. bleach, push process, and intensify the hell out of each shot. Exposure was erratic and composition and aspect ratios were all over the place- bad for wedding albums! That bunch was eventually fired and replaced.

The boss's motto was "We don't re-shoot every shot in the darkroom! That was 1959 and I still go by that philsophy- I don't want to reshoot any shots in the computer. I ain't perfect and everon screws somethgs up sometimes so it is great if we can salvage the odd blooper in post.

Special effects, graphic treatments, etc- I love them. Nowadays, in commercial photoghay, it is surprising what clients ask us to produce. There is a lot of stuff that used to be in th preview of art houses, and pre-press folks in the lithographic trades, that we are asked to produce in house. Nothing new- high contrast, texture screens, posterizations, solarizations, abstract imagery, and more. If you can generate some of that stuff you can improve your business and serve more markets. Besides, it's fun!

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Jan 28, 2024 22:15:40   #
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JohnSwanda wrote:
I don't care what he does, but many of these minimal processing guys tell me I'm a graphic artist and not a photographer because I do a lot of processing, and I'm proud to be a photographer.

Really ? Proud ? Thaz kinda funny. No offense meant, definitely NOT ROTFL funny. I know folks proud to be a steam fitter or chef. OTOH never met anyone proud to be a dentist or an optician. If I met a proud dentist that would be the same type of funny.

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Jan 28, 2024 22:32:49   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
User ID wrote:
Really ? Proud ? Thaz kinda funny. No offense meant, definitely NOT ROTFL funny. I know folks proud to be a steam fitter or chef. OTOH never met anyone proud to be a dentist or an optician. If I met a proud dentist that would be the same type of funny.


I think everyone should be proud of what they do. Why is being proud of being a chef different than being proud to be a photographer? I'll bet there are proud dentists and opticians if they are good at it.

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Jan 28, 2024 22:34:07   #
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JohnSwanda wrote:
I don't think you would, but I have been told by people here that I'm not a photographer, or my work is not photography.

They live on the borderline ... between envy and ignorance. Acoarst they dont know that. IOW they just have no clue where theyre at.

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Jan 29, 2024 05:27:39   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
The grass is always greener when you process with PhotoShop.


Yes - makes you think "should have used Affinity"

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Jan 29, 2024 05:30:28   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
R.G. wrote:
You seem to be assuming a connection between a ramped up look and filters. Filters are just one way to completely destroy a natural look. It's more than possible to overcook an image using just the sliders in the Basic section.

Apart from that, natural v overcooked is a choice, and on a good day that means a creative choice. Some people want to create an image that'll burn itself into your retinas.

You ask "What do you consider necessary?" I try to push the processing as far as it will go while still holding on to a natural look. Of course "natural" can mean so many things. In good lighting and with an absence of haze a scene will look far more vivid than it does in subdued lighting and/or with haze, so I like to think that reality gives us a fair bit of leeway when it comes to how much ramping up is natural.

But IMO there is such a thing as too much saturation, contrast and sharpness. How much is too much is a matter of opinion or intention. Even AI thinks that a ramped up look is acceptable most of the time. And it probably picked that up from taking note of our preferences.
You seem to be assuming a connection between a ram... (show quote)


AI doesn't think - it only remembers!

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Jan 29, 2024 07:21:03   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
JZA B1 wrote:
I guess there is a difference between adjusting white balance and some Snapchat filter people apply to pics of their breakfast that completely changes the image.

Some post-processing is always (or almost always) required. Yet, when I look at some pics out there, they are just not realistic because of all the filters people apply.

It's like an attempt to make a boring pic exciting by using filters.

Where do you draw the line when processing your pictures? What do you consider necessary?
I guess there is a difference between adjusting wh... (show quote)


That is an individual decision, just like an artist, photographers reserve the Privilege of creating an image to their individual tastes.
Usually I just use a few sliders on my images, just enough to add to the thought I am trying to convey.



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Jan 29, 2024 07:26:20   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
billnikon wrote:
That is an individual decision, just like an artist, photographers reserve the Privilege of creating an image to their individual tastes.
Usually I just use a few sliders on my images, just enough to add to the thought I am trying to convey.

I must be too logical.... I don't read into images. Only how it may make me feel.
That's why I have line three in my signature.

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Jan 29, 2024 07:29:19   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
... I have been told by people here that I'm not a photographer, or my work is not photography.
Do they share photographs you admire? Do you value their opinions?
.

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Jan 29, 2024 07:39:33   #
Nortfish Loc: Port St. Lucie, Fla
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
What is truly "boring" is this continual argument about post-processing, realism vs. impressionism, filters, or no filters, etc..

Photography was not invented yesterday. "Processg" was always part of the equation. You exposed a film or a plane and you had to chemically PROCESS it to create an image. Serious, technically competent, and artistically inclined photograhers manipulate the images in development and/or printing to tweak the quality or apply a special effect. In a well-crafted image, from film or digital imaging. is produced in such a way that the manipulation or special effects do not call attention to themselves. A poorly crafted image will show the glitches!

As for color saturation? Years ago photographer shot Kodachrome and underexpss 1/2 a stop to increase saturation. Others shot Ecktachrome for a more realistic or neutral effect. Yet, some sho tSuper Anschrochrome and overexposed slightly for a pastel and grain effect. It's' a matter of TASTE and not everyone SEES things the same way.

Whatever you opted to do , you had to plan, select a film and process and follow through. Nowadays yo can just shoot and in post-process, you can make all sorts of alterations with a tweak of a slider and some folks SLIDE a bit much- but that is up to them! Some beginners tend to do that (it's fun) until they practice and gain more precise control.

Photography is a creative endeavor so why create LAWS or false ethics as to how folks should express THEIR visions and imaginations? All photogahy is not documentation and journalism. If you want your images to be as realistic as possibe- have at it. I do it every day in commercial work. If you want or need to change gears and do someth crazy or different, why not? Experiment, and if you don't like the results- it didn't cost you film, chemistry and paper. You don't even have to tear up the print and throw it in the garbage. You just click "delete" and it goes off to photo-purgatory, never again to be seen.

In post-processing, even the word "filter" is kind of a misnomer. In the olden days of film, you had to place a glass filter on your lens and undated HOW it is "filtering" out or minimizing certain colors and emphasizing others or how it affects the panchromatic renditions in monochromatic work. The presets or so-called filters in many software programs are just various moods and permutations so you just pick and choose- again, a personal choice.

Rant over , now as they say on TV talent contests- "let the battles begin"!
What is truly "boring" is this continual... (show quote)


Well said. There is "much ado about nothing" when it comes to use of tools.

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Jan 29, 2024 07:50:08   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Nortfish wrote:
Well said. There is "much ado about nothing" when it comes to use of tools.


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Jan 29, 2024 08:24:47   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
Is not the whole idea of all of this to produce something within the medium which pleases you ? If Rembrandt had a classroom, how do you think Picasso would have fared ? Everyone here is in a different stage of development with a different mindset. There WILL be change in that mindset as we all well know... Let it flow and don't rush it . Be yourself and express it... Some days it's heavy contrast and vivid, the next day might be wispy and sublime... Just be YOURSELF... That is all you have !

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