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Jan 22, 2024 19:20:14   #
fantom Loc: Colorado
 
scoundrel wrote:
No joke indended, fantom.

New data: N = 378 p(raw) = 159/378 = 0.421 q(raw) = 0.579 s = 0.0254 2.326s = 0.0591
98% confidence interval for p(raw): 0.362 to 0.480


Thanks for the clarification but I still don't get it. I think I better stick with Dagwood.

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Jan 22, 2024 19:21:10   #
fantom Loc: Colorado
 
Longshadow wrote:
Haha, I have a limited tolerance for verboseness....


I hear ya.

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Jan 22, 2024 19:31:56   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
scoundrel wrote:
For what it's worth, the probability (or in this case, proportion) of respondents will not go outside the range I have quoted, barring an unforeseen change in the way the users are using their cameras or really bad luck on my part. You can narrow the result with more data, but the results seem pretty stable.

Worth is relative...

What I was interested in finding was the number/percentage of people who shoot which of the three formats. That's it, nothing more, no fancy graphs or pages of calculations/formulas.numbers. Simply what percentage of respondents shoot what.

Yea I took statistics in college.

Yes, it is fairly consistent across the tallies.

My take: About 16% of the people who responded shoot JPEG exclusively, the remainder shoot RAW.
(Based on the premise that when shooting BOTH, one would use the RAW, otherwise they would not save the RAW.) Not worried nor concerned with those who didn't respond.

Does not include those who shoot both who switch to one only for a higher burst rate for an instance. That would be a secondary method of saving, not primary.
Also does not include whether the people who shoot what are newbies, hobbyists, intermediates, or professionals.......

Now what they do with what they save is a different subject (story).

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Jan 22, 2024 20:26:57   #
Xmsmn Loc: Minnesota
 
Longshadow wrote:
The question was prompted by a comment in another thread.

INSTRUCTIONS: Post only ONE WORD: "RAW"; "JPEG"; or "BOTH".
No dissertations, no explanations as to why, no opinions, no recommendations,...
no matter how badly you feel you have to.

ANY response other than ONE of the three words will not be tallied.


Both

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Jan 22, 2024 20:44:31   #
cesar2
 
RAW

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Jan 22, 2024 21:13:38   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
scoundrel wrote:
As a former tutor of elementary statistics (among other mathematics and physical science things) at a local junior college for almost twenty years, I could not resist chiming in on this. If you are talking about human subjects, things can get really complicated. The wording of the question, how you obtain your sample, and a lot of other things can affect the results. None of us has time to go into all the issues involved in that, such as how to detect bias of different kinds in your sample and what are the possible ambiguities in the ways the question is worded. Some of the other respondents have posted responses addressing some of these issues.

If this subject interests anyone here, a good nonmathematical introduction to the subject is _How to Lie with Statistics_ by Darrell Huff, a book that is still in print after several decades. Don't be put off by the age of the examples taken from a time when $25,000 was considered an upper-class, or at least an upper-middle class, income and ten cents might be enough to buy a loaf of bread or a quart of milk.

In our present example, our sample is the the responses from the Ugly Hedgehog members who have volunteered to answer the survey question in a form that will be counted. I won't address here how well the sample represents the intended population because I don't really know what the intended population is. I also assume that any biases in the sample are small enough to be ignored.

There is also a difference between a confidence LEVEL and a confidence INTERVAL The confidence LEVEL is typically used to answer a yes-or-no question of the form, "Is the value we got different enough from the one we would expect from the one we would expect from the null hypotheses (i.e., the result we would expect if the effect we are looking for were absent) to say with enough confidence (defined by the confidence level) to report a positive result?" A confidence INTERVAL is defined usually by two numbers defining 5the limits bounds around our nominal result where we can say that the true result lies, with a confidence determined by the confidence level.

Now let's get down to the problem in front of us, or at least a related problem. I do not have the actual numbers in front of me, so I will make do with approximations. We have three possible results, so I will change the problem to compute a binary result instead: the approximate probability that an individual will answer RAW, which I believe happened with a probability of approximately 40 percent (or p = .40) and that the current count of data points is now around 500 (n = 500). The number of people who answered RAW would therefore be np, or 200. The number q is the probability that a given person answered one of the legal responses other than RAW. The standard deviation for p we shall call s, which is sqrt ((p * q) / n), or sqrt (( 0.40 * 0.60) / 500) = sqrt (0.000480) = 0.0219. To obtain a confidence interval of 98%, we must add and subtract 2.326 times s, or 0.0510, to get the bounds for the confidence interval. In other words, we are 98 percent certain that the actual probability for our hypothetical run will be between p - 0.0510 and p + 0.0510, or 0.349 to 0.451

Of course, this is only an approximation. To get a more exact number, you must use the actual numbers from your own data to get n, p, q, thence s and the bounds for your confidence interval.
As a former tutor of elementary statistics (among ... (show quote)


Clearly, a JPEG shooter ....

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Jan 22, 2024 21:44:47   #
fantom Loc: Colorado
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Clearly, a JPEG shooter ....



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Jan 22, 2024 22:04:31   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Clearly, a JPEG shooter ....


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Jan 22, 2024 23:25:18   #
CoveArts Loc: Boston MA USA
 
RAW

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Jan 23, 2024 08:51:37   #
Ruthlessrider
 
RAW

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Jan 23, 2024 12:21:53   #
techwolf Loc: Edgewater, Fl
 
RAW

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Jan 23, 2024 14:10:30   #
Jamie C Loc: Indialantic, Florida
 
Both

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Jan 23, 2024 14:11:41   #
Jamie C Loc: Indialantic, Florida
 
Both

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Jan 23, 2024 14:15:15   #
JWaymack Loc: Seattle
 
both

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Jan 23, 2024 17:06:38   #
proofreader Loc: Nawth Carolina
 
BOTH

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