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Jan 22, 2024 14:19:31   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
MrBob wrote:
After reading your last sentence I thought of the universe and some of the James Webb images and quantum entanglement. personally I believe EVERYTHING is interconnected, but then again I am just a mucker !


For me, pictures of the universe would evoke a feeling of interconnectedness right up to the point where I started to think how big the universe is. Where quantum entanglement (spooky interaction at a distance) is concerned, I haven't tried to do anything photographically with it, but I suspect it doesn't lend itself to producing imagery of the storytelling variety.

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Jan 22, 2024 14:22:09   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
User ID wrote:
... Would you know if a Wabi Sabi image of interconnectedness also must still evoke impermanence ? ...


Interconnectedness plus impermanence - that sounds like a description of my internet connection .

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Jan 22, 2024 14:49:50   #
User ID
 
R.G. wrote:
For me, pictures of the universe would evoke a feeling of interconnectedness right up to the point where I started to think how big the universe is. Where quantum entanglement (spooky interaction at a distance) is concerned, I haven't tried to do anything photographically with it, but I suspect it doesn't lend itself to producing imagery of the storytelling variety.

Some Hubbel images definitely can evoke the interconnectedness within the universe, but OTOH Im not sure about the "impermanence" aspect. Really, who knows ?!?!? Does anyone know whether Hubbel shoots raw or jpeg ???

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Jan 22, 2024 16:48:38   #
cbtsam Loc: Monkton, MD
 
R.G. wrote:
The concept of wabi sabi is so pervasive that it presents a target that would be difficult to miss. The tricky stuff starts when we set ourselves the objective of finding good examples. You use the word "compelling", to that I would add "evocative". So what we would be looking for are images that tell the story of wabi sabi in a compelling and evocative way.

Finding an image that evokes the idea of interconnectedness could be a tricky one. Perhaps we could look for something simpler. It seems to me that

impermanence + imperfection = deterioration

Finding images of deterioration that tell a story is probably more manageable. But that only hints at the vast array of possibilities.

PS - For anybody trying to find images that tell a story of interconnectedness, good luck to you - and keep us informed of your progress .
The concept of wabi sabi is so pervasive that it p... (show quote)


First, RG, thanks for your contributions to this discussion.

Now, when you contemplate an image that compellingly tells the story of impermanence and imperfection, and you allow yourself to be drawn into that story by that image, don't you have a shot at least of seeing interconnectedness in the image, and/or feeling connected to the subject(s) of that image, and thus living the interconnectedness of things? I offer this image as a possibility:


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Jan 22, 2024 18:18:52   #
druthven
 
I went to Wiki and it didn't take long before I realized it was something I need not clutter my brain with.

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Jan 22, 2024 18:32:30   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
"Wabi-sabi is a Japanese philosophy that emphasizes the beauty of imperfection, impermanence, and simplicity 1. It is a worldview centered on the acceptance of transience and imperfection, and appreciating beauty that is “imperfect, impermanent, and incomplete” in nature 1. Wabi-sabi is prevalent in many forms of Japanese art and design 1. It reminds us that all things, including us and life itself, are impermanent, incomplete, and imperfect 2. Perfection, then, is impossible and impermanence is the only way 2. Here are some teachings of Wabi-Sabi that you can apply in your daily life 2:

Find beauty in imperfection: Instead of striving for perfection, embrace the beauty of imperfection.
Simplicity: Embrace simplicity and minimalism in your life.
Acceptance: Accept the natural cycle of life and the impermanence of all things.
Appreciation: Appreciate the beauty in everyday objects and moments".

The above is an excerpt from an encyclopedia. Seems like a nice philosophy that may apply to an approach to art and photography. Not something to make fun of. Y'all may learn something!
"Wabi-sabi is a Japanese philosophy that emph... (show quote)


Thanks! I've heard of it, but you made it clear!

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Jan 22, 2024 18:45:15   #
joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
 
cbtsam wrote:
First, RG, thanks for your contributions to this discussion.

Now, when you contemplate an image that compellingly tells the story of impermanence and imperfection, and you allow yourself to be drawn into that story by that image, don't you have a shot at least of seeing interconnectedness in the image, and/or feeling connected to the subject(s) of that image, and thus living the interconnectedness of things? I offer this image as a possibility:


Like a gorgeous abstract bursting with color 💚💛

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Jan 22, 2024 18:56:35   #
User ID
 
cbtsam wrote:
First, RG, thanks for your contributions to this discussion.

Now, when you contemplate an image that compellingly tells the story of impermanence and imperfection, and you allow yourself to be drawn into that story by that image, don't you have a shot at least of seeing interconnectedness in the image, and/or feeling connected to the subject(s) of that image, and thus living the interconnectedness of things? I offer this image as a possibility:

A viewer feeling connection to the subject of an image is exactly that, only connectedness. INTER-connectednesss is much broader and far more complex. Reeeeally hard to express in a still image. Its more in the realm of cine.

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Jan 23, 2024 01:11:18   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
User ID wrote:
.... Does anyone know whether Hubbel shoots raw or jpeg ???


Some mysteries will never be resolved....

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Jan 23, 2024 01:32:41   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
cbtsam wrote:
First, RG, thanks for your contributions to this discussion.

Now, when you contemplate an image that compellingly tells the story of impermanence and imperfection, and you allow yourself to be drawn into that story by that image, don't you have a shot at least of seeing interconnectedness in the image, and/or feeling connected to the subject(s) of that image, and thus living the interconnectedness of things? I offer this image as a possibility:


You're welcome, and thanks to the OP for starting the thread.

I can look at a picture of a dilapidated shed that's seen a lifetime of use but is now in a state of decline and I'll be able to relate to it, which is a form of connection. But as User ID said, that is but a pale imitation of the larger concept of interconnectedness. If you're ever playing charades and you want to give someone a really difficult subject to mime, make it as abstract as you can. Trying to convey abstract ideas by any means is difficult, and photography is limited to static imagery, making it very unsuited to conveying purely abstract concepts. It's not impossible, but the more abstract the concept, the harder it will be to use static imagery to convey that concept. Photography can evoke thoughts and feelings but only if the subject lends itself to that kind of evocation. Using photography to evoke thoughts and feelings is playing to photography's strengths. Using it to convey purely abstract and obscure concepts is not. It can be done (to a point) but you'll have your work cut out, and the chances are that most people aren't going to get it. But if you want to try, best of luck to you.

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Jan 23, 2024 09:49:53   #
srt101fan
 
R.G. wrote:
You're welcome, and thanks to the OP for starting the thread.

I can look at a picture of a dilapidated shed that's seen a lifetime of use but is now in a state of decline and I'll be able to relate to it, which is a form of connection. But as User ID said, that is but a pale imitation of the larger concept of interconnectedness. If you're ever playing charades and you want to give someone a really difficult subject to mime, make it as abstract as you can. Trying to convey abstract ideas by any means is difficult, and photography is limited to static imagery, making it very unsuited to conveying purely abstract concepts. It's not impossible, but the more abstract the concept, the harder it will be to use static imagery to convey that concept. Photography can evoke thoughts and feelings but only if the subject lends itself to that kind of evocation. Using photography to evoke thoughts and feelings is playing to photography's strengths. Using it to convey purely abstract and obscure concepts is not. It can be done (to a point) but you'll have your work cut out, and the chances are that most people aren't going to get it. But if you want to try, best of luck to you.
You're welcome, and thanks to the OP for starting ... (show quote)


"Connections" in another post....
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-797891-1.html#14411715

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Jan 23, 2024 10:16:52   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
User ID wrote:
Some Hubbel images definitely can evoke the interconnectedness within the universe, but OTOH Im not sure about the "impermanence" aspect. Really, who knows ?!?!? Does anyone know whether Hubbel shoots raw or jpeg ???
Its definitely a raw format sooc. lol. The instrument guys talk about SPDC or something like that, which is Single Photon Detection Capability. The sensor has to be cooled to near 0 K so SPDC won’t be coming to your cell phone this year.

But that’s pretty sensitive. I wonder what that equates to in ISO?

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Jan 23, 2024 12:44:46   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
srt101fan wrote:


The OP himself says the image is representative of how he feels sometimes. The chances are that anybody making a connection to that image of disconnection is doing it through an evoked feeling. Some abstract concepts can be connected to in that way, some not so much.

Most of us would accept that we feel interconnected sometimes, but it will typically be in a limited way. It's no doubt possible to feel interconnected to all things, but can you conceive of an image that's going to evoke that idea or feeling? I'm not going to say that it's impossible, but best of luck to you if you want to try. Wabi sabi as a concept is interesting and not without its merits, but I think we have to be realistic about how it can apply to our own endeavours.

Imperfection has its positive side and impermanence is a fact of life that deserves our recognition and consideration. They are both realistic potential subjects and we have a fair chance of having at least some success if we attempt to create photos that typify them. Trying to go much beyond that is, IMO, venturing into increasingly unrealistic territory. I'm not telling anybody to not do that, but on the other hand it's usually a good idea to be realistic about what we're doing and what we can expect.

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Jan 23, 2024 12:52:19   #
User ID
 
srt101fan wrote:

Youre kidding ? (I hope.)

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Jan 23, 2024 13:20:33   #
User ID
 
cbtsam wrote:
First, RG, thanks for your contributions to this discussion.

Now, when you contemplate an image that compellingly tells the story of impermanence and imperfection, and you allow yourself to be drawn into that story by that image, don't you have a shot at least of seeing interconnectedness in the image, and/or feeling connected to the subject(s) of that image, and thus living the interconnectedness of things? I offer this image as a possibility:

(Photo is reattached below.)

Connectedness ? Much as I really do like that photo, it is itself and I am myself. IOW myself and the photo happen to be quite separate, not connected. Nor does it connect me to the photographers own experience of the subject. Perhaps cuz its such a really good photo it "stands on its own two feet", all on its own without needing me.

My lack of connection is personal. Subjective. OTOH some other viewer may feel a powerful connection. Good on that !

But INTER-connectedness ? Its NOT AT ALL subjective to state that its absolutlely not expressed. Again, verrrry fine photo ... all on its own, but interconnectedness ?!?!? Due to lacking a fourth dimension, that image like most any image, doesnt come even vaguely close. It cannot, no fault of the photographer.


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