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Jan 22, 2024 07:13:27   #
EJMcD
 
Martys wrote:
Hello User ID
"To avoid a snapshot appearance" Finding no clues what thaz supposed to mean without seeing some examples.

These are a selection of my efforts from my website ,....all my cropping done in the viewfinder, ...for this ol' timer it has always been an integral and enjoyable part of my workflow sir.


Your images are awesome. There are a couple of members here whose posts you will learn to ignore. It took me a while but I finally learned to do it.

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Jan 22, 2024 10:12:16   #
radiojohn
 
JZA B1 wrote:
Square crop, rule of thirds, or something completely different?

How do you know which one to apply in any given situation? Any time-tested rules or just what looks best?


First, I do not use a camera that only has a screen on back.

There MUST be some kind of EVF or optical finder.

IMHO, if you can't even see your subject on the screen, any composition is impossible.

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Jan 22, 2024 12:28:32   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Some photograhers have a natural inborn talent for composition- that is the placement of subjects within the frame. Some folks have a natural inborn talent while others have to learn some basic element to develop a knack or talent. There are othere elements that have to do with composition such as the use of color, lighting, and tone, and the strategic use of leading lines.

There are "rules" and guidelines that are useful in teaching and learning the basic elements. There are the rule of thirds and the golden section but those are the tip of the iceberg. There are complex theses written with, intricate diagrams, grids, and diagrams on cameras' viewing screens. All of these resources are helpful but perhaps not practical in workg in the field. I have a book that not only has all those diagrams but breaks them into mathematical and geometric formulas. It is some interesting reading but not very useful when shooting wildlife. a sports event, a landscape in sub-freezing weather, or a riot. You can the the book with you but you can subconsciously apply some of the theory.

What you boil things down to the basic reason for the concept is to lead the viewers' eyes to the motif of your images.

Personally speaking, I do not confine my work to one format, aspect ratio, size, or shape unless it is for a commercial job with a particular layout. I find that some subjects work well in a square rectangular, panoramic, ir even round or oval final disposition and shoot accordingly. Some subjects do well in a tight composion and some benefit from negative space. I consider leading lines, foreground framing in traditional approaches, and oftentimes breaking a "rule" will make for a stronger image.

If you are satisfied with your result, composition-wise, a good experiment is to see if they conform to any of the classic rules. You might find out that you have a natural talent. If you are dissatisfied, study some of the classic concepts and see what improvement you can apply.

The great advantage of digital photoghay is that you do not have to go through tons of film and hours of darkroom work to experiment. You can not only bracket exposures but "bracket" compositions aswell- try various points of view, varying focal lengths, leaving more or less space around your subject, and consider various aspect ratios, and crops. Develop your individual style and approach.

I kid you not about that book. Here is one of the diagrams that illustrate the strongest point in a composiition- enough to drive one crazy.

There is no magical formula. Study some of the foundational material, apply it when you can, see if you like the results, break a few rules, and at the end of the day it waht looks good to YOU!
Some photograhers have a natural inborn talent for... (show quote)


I think the word " rules " kind of misleads folks.... These so called " rules " are more like illustrations of universally observed phenomena such as things pertaining to Golden rectangle, rule of thirds, Golden spiral, Fib. #'s etc... These relationships have been shown to be " pleasing " to the eye and as such, misconstrued into rules... Anyone interested in these things should check out " The Golden Ratio " by Mario Livio. Fib.#'s will take you down the rabbit hole esp. if you are into nature etc...

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Jan 22, 2024 14:29:13   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
.... If you REALLY want to getting or improve and fully and fully understand and appreciate the POWER OF composition, there is a lot of great theory and concepts to consider....


THIS is newly released on PetaPixel. It has some ideas that you and others may find interesting.

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Jan 22, 2024 14:42:27   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
MrBob wrote:
I think the word " rules " kind of misleads folks.... These so called " rules " are more like illustrations of universally observed phenomena such as things pertaining to Golden rectangle, rule of thirds, Golden spiral, Fib. #'s etc... These relationships are " pleasing " to the eye and as such, misconstrued into rules... Anyone interested in these things should check out " The Golden Ratio " by Mario Livio. Fib.#'s will take you down the rabbit hole esp. if you are into nature etc...
I think the word " rules " kind of misle... (show quote)


Etymology is fun and so are Euphisiams (the substitution of an agreeable or inoffensive expression for one that may offend or suggest something unpleasant the expression so substituted). The components and their composition are fun, interesting, enlightening, and helpful to study- call them whatever you want if "rules " are offensive or antithetical to your philosophy or nature.

I have mentioned on numerous occasions that these so-called "rules:" are not laws but are guidelines and visual aspects to consider in you work. There are, however, some REAl rules in the physics of light, electronics, optics, etc. that should be considered to be important and learned.

I am not a university or college professor, however, I have been in a position to train rookee or aspiring professional photographers. I have presented many workshops and seminars. In that environment, there's little time to philosophize because students are spendig time and money learning practical methodologies. So, what should I do? I could show my work, brag about my experiences, and tell them to go out and do whatever the heck they feel like and eventualy they will find their path. Or will it be of benefit to furnish them with some foundational theory, analyze images, illustrate how composition can strengthen or weakg the impact of images, and set forth a series of basic approaches and guidelines? This should not stunt the creative growth of a real artist nor will it make a less talented individual into an instant artist. I may need diagrams and formulas to illustrate any of these concepts or theories. They are not inted as the likes of electronic schematic diagrams where an alteration will cause a short circuit.

"Rules" are not a dirty word. Rules in art have many wonderful exceptions. When presenting a workshop I may have a dozen or more folks in a class. Some probably have more artistic talent than I will ever possess, some may have no artistic talent but are good technicians, ad there's everything in between. I just want them all to leeav the class with a few more tools in their box, more awarenessof their own potential, and at least a few important tips or tricks to make their work more efficient and easy to accomplish. Knowledge is power!

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Jan 22, 2024 15:08:26   #
Vaun's photography Loc: Bonney Lake, WA
 
R.G. wrote:
THIS is newly released on PetaPixel. It has some ideas that you and others may find interesting.


Thanks for sharing this link! I found it highly interesting.

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Jan 22, 2024 15:11:15   #
User ID
 
Martys wrote:
Hello User ID
"To avoid a snapshot appearance" Finding no clues what thaz supposed to mean without seeing some examples.

These are a selection of my efforts from my website ,....all my cropping done in the viewfinder, ...for this ol' timer it has always been an integral and enjoyable part of my workflow sir.

Thanks for the effort. Examples clarify better than the long wordy discussions that always clutter up aesthetics topics, such as this one.

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Jan 22, 2024 15:14:07   #
User ID
 
EJMcD wrote:
There are a couple of members here whose posts you will learn to ignore. It took me a while but I finally learned to do it.

Welcome to the slow learners club. Will you be supporting the next big membership drive ?

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Jan 22, 2024 15:17:29   #
tillmanb
 
I use bokeh, frequently.

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Jan 22, 2024 15:24:44   #
User ID
 
tillmanb wrote:
I use bokeh, frequently.

Use it how and for what ? Examples ?

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All along Id never thought of focus fall off as anything that I "use", meaning "with intent". Always seems like Im just juggling with the inherent nature or limitations of the medium (examples attached).


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Jan 22, 2024 16:16:13   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Etymology is fun and so are Euphisiams (the substitution of an agreeable or inoffensive expression for one that may offend or suggest something unpleasant the expression so substituted). The components and their composition are fun, interesting, enlightening, and helpful to study- call them whatever you want if "rules " are offensive or antithetical to your philosophy or nature.

I have mentioned on numerous occasions that these so-called "rules:" are not laws but are guidelines and visual aspects to consider in you work. There are, however, some REAl rules in the physics of light, electronics, optics, etc. that should be considered to be important and learned.

I am not a university or college professor, however, I have been in a position to train rookee or aspiring professional photographers. I have presented many workshops and seminars. In that environment, there's little time to philosophize because students are spendig time and money learning practical methodologies. So, what should I do? I could show my work, brag about my experiences, and tell them to go out and do whatever the heck they feel like and eventualy they will find their path. Or will it be of benefit to furnish them with some foundational theory, analyze images, illustrate how composition can strengthen or weakg the impact of images, and set forth a series of basic approaches and guidelines? This should not stunt the creative growth of a real artist nor will it make a less talented individual into an instant artist. I may need diagrams and formulas to illustrate any of these concepts or theories. They are not inted as the likes of electronic schematic diagrams where an alteration will cause a short circuit.

"Rules" are not a dirty word. Rules in art have many wonderful exceptions. When presenting a workshop I may have a dozen or more folks in a class. Some probably have more artistic talent than I will ever possess, some may have no artistic talent but are good technicians, ad there's everything in between. I just want them all to leeav the class with a few more tools in their box, more awarenessof their own potential, and at least a few important tips or tricks to make their work more efficient and easy to accomplish. Knowledge is power!
Etymology is fun and so are Euphisiams (the substi... (show quote)


Sounds good... I was just kind of encapsulating where " rules " originate... Good stuff !

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Jan 22, 2024 16:26:36   #
User ID
 
MrBob wrote:
.... I was just kind of encapsulating where " rules " originate... God stuff !

Yup. She writes the rules.

And then mere mortals try to reinterpret them .....

I made it sooooooo simple !
I made it sooooooo simple !...
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Jan 22, 2024 17:03:43   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
User ID wrote:
Yup. She writes the rules.

And then mere mortals try to reinterpret them .....


It's the mind, body interface... It pays to proof sometimes.

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Jan 22, 2024 17:38:16   #
bdk Loc: Sanibel Fl.
 
if I am shooting something alive I always make sure it has room to walk off the screen. Sometimes I use rule of 3rds and sometimes it just doesnt work for me. My big issue is aI dont have the eye for landscape photography . always looks great in real life , on the screen it almost always sux.
I spent too many years shooting people and nothing else.

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Jan 22, 2024 17:46:34   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
R.G. wrote:
THIS is newly released on PetaPixel. It has some ideas that you and others may find interesting.


Nice article! It illustrates how color, contrast, and othere components have to do with composition. It's just not only where to place things in the frame.

There are endless arguments over their rule of theirs and a few othere popular theories. Kinda silyl when the is so much more to delvein to, study, and try out.

With the pure economy of digital photograhy- no expensive film and chemistry to buy. You can experiment your head off, try various compositions, control color saturation, contrast, and brightness, and do local controls with the flick of a switch or the move of a slider. Image the film and paper inventory you would need to do for that

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