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Jan 22, 2024 00:37:02   #
Hip Coyote
 
TonyP wrote:
For the price of less than a cup of takeaway coffee, why not use a hard plastic lens cap. These are designed to protect the lens and come with any camera when purchased.
I really cant understand a serious photographer, practicing his hobby or craft with an expensive lens that determines the quality of the capture, taking the shot through an added piece of glass.
Just in case he/she might drop the camera.
UV filters were designed for film that was sensitive to UV rays. Digital cameras are immune to UV effects.
My suggestion is if your camera is susceptible to being dropped, buy a wrist strap and or use the lens cap.
In nearly 60 years of taking pics I've damaged a lens only once, when the camera came off the tripod. A filter wouldn't have helped save the lens. (I hadn't tightened the clamp on the tripod head properly)

Edit. Thinking about it further, the only time a good protective filter could be a good idea, is when taking pics in windy conditions with spray or sand in the air.
For the price of less than a cup of takeaway coffe... (show quote)


Or hiking and shooting a lot of pics. Having a cap cost me a few lost shots of critters so I kept cap off.

I can also see an argument for street photography. Moments are fleeting.

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Jan 22, 2024 01:51:45   #
TonyP Loc: New Zealand
 
Hip Coyote wrote:
Or hiking and shooting a lot of pics. Having a cap cost me a few lost shots of critters so I kept cap off.

I can also see an argument for street photography. Moments are fleeting.


So use a wrist strap.

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Jan 22, 2024 05:13:10   #
DRM Loc: NC
 
TonyP wrote:
For the price of less than a cup of takeaway coffee, why not use a hard plastic lens cap. These are designed to protect the lens and come with any camera when purchased.
I really cant understand a serious photographer, practicing his hobby or craft with an expensive lens that determines the quality of the capture, taking the shot through an added piece of glass.
Just in case he/she might drop the camera.
UV filters were designed for film that was sensitive to UV rays. Digital cameras are immune to UV effects.
My suggestion is if your camera is susceptible to being dropped, buy a wrist strap and or use the lens cap.
In nearly 60 years of taking pics I've damaged a lens only once, when the camera came off the tripod. A filter wouldn't have helped save the lens. (I hadn't tightened the clamp on the tripod head properly)

Edit. Thinking about it further, the only time a good protective filter could be a good idea, is when taking pics in windy conditions with spray or sand in the air.
For the price of less than a cup of takeaway coffe... (show quote)


Absolutely. Could not agree more. And in addition to the lens cap, use the lens hood for further protection.

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Jan 22, 2024 05:20:22   #
cmc4214 Loc: S.W. Pennsylvania
 
TonyP wrote:
For the price of less than a cup of takeaway coffee, why not use a hard plastic lens cap. These are designed to protect the lens and come with any camera when purchased.
I really cant understand a serious photographer, practicing his hobby or craft with an expensive lens that determines the quality of the capture, taking the shot through an added piece of glass.
Just in case he/she might drop the camera.
UV filters were designed for film that was sensitive to UV rays. Digital cameras are immune to UV effects.
My suggestion is if your camera is susceptible to being dropped, buy a wrist strap and or use the lens cap.
In nearly 60 years of taking pics I've damaged a lens only once, when the camera came off the tripod. A filter wouldn't have helped save the lens. (I hadn't tightened the clamp on the tripod head properly)

Edit. Thinking about it further, the only time a good protective filter could be a good idea, is when taking pics in windy conditions with spray or sand in the air.
For the price of less than a cup of takeaway coffe... (show quote)



Filters offer very little protection against dropping of a lens, they do offer excellent protection against wind-blown sand, slinging mud, dirt etc. some lens manufacturers include filters as part of their weather-sealing formula.
The degradation of a picture caused by a GOOD quality filter is not noticeable by anyone except possibly major pixel-peepers



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Jan 22, 2024 06:12:11   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
CHG-Canon wrote: "The start and end of my selection of filters are B+W. There's no reason to look beyond the best."

I am sure they are the best but not when it comes to ND filters. I use a filter ONLY when I have a good reason to use it. It is said and has been said many times that using a filter degrades the image. That is not my case, ALL of my filters are old and from the film era and I only use the polarizers, mainly Tiffen and Hoya and I have not seeing any degradation in my images.

I see no reasons to use a UV filter with digital besides, if the filter is not clean the image will suffer. As a "lens protection" I have never used one in my more than 60 years photographing.

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Jan 22, 2024 07:05:49   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
jbk224 wrote:
I have both Hoya HD3 UV and B+W XS-Pro 007M MRC Nano Clear 77mm filters.
I have always used the B+W filters to 'permanently' sit on my lens.
And have not used the Hoya Filters--for no special reason other than I had the B+Ws first.
I'm expecting to receive my Z24-120 S this week and will use one of these filters.
(These 77mm filters were kept after I sold my 28-300)
Does anyone have recommendations for one or the other? Not using any one of these is a non-starter.
Thanks for your help.
I have both Hoya HD3 UV and B+W XS-Pro 007M MRC Na... (show quote)


I have not used a clear or UV filter since 1990. There just is no longer any use for them besides adding weight to the front of your lens.
Most front elements of lenses manufactured today, by the big three that is, can take a moderate frontal impact with no damage, if you want protection, the best protection is a lens hood.
The only filters I use today are a polarizer and ND filters. My Polarizer is a B&W, made in Germany, great filter.
Still not convinced? Watch the entire video below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0CLPTd6Bds

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Jan 22, 2024 07:26:06   #
TerryVS
 
jbk224 wrote:
I have both Hoya HD3 UV and B+W XS-Pro 007M MRC Nano Clear 77mm filters.
I have always used the B+W filters to 'permanently' sit on my lens.
And have not used the Hoya Filters--for no special reason other than I had the B+Ws first.
I'm expecting to receive my Z24-120 S this week and will use one of these filters.
(These 77mm filters were kept after I sold my 28-300)
Does anyone have recommendations for one or the other? Not using any one of these is a non-starter.
Thanks for your help.
I have both Hoya HD3 UV and B+W XS-Pro 007M MRC Na... (show quote)


Since you have both I guess you could shoot some controlled shots and see if you see a difference. Might try without the filter as well. I doubt you will see any difference.

That said B+W is just top of the line and has been for decades.

Back in the film days when I bought a lens I bought a filter to fit it, that's not the case anymore. If you think it's protecting the lens hop over to Backcountry Gallery. Steve trashed some lenses while testing that theory.

At the end of the day you at least have a quality filter to fit your new lens!

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Jan 22, 2024 07:38:45   #
Canisdirus
 
I don't bother with 'protection' filters...but I did just pick up a Kolari UV filter...for some of my vintage Nikon lenses...all 52mm's. I do the review...I get to keep it.

The only reason I even bothered to take it was the gorilla glass and the fact that Kolari is a serious company.
Filter is built like a tank...quality is right there with PolarPro...brass...feels overbuilt, but has a low profile on the lenses.

They aren't cheap...but they poured some engineering into these.

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Jan 22, 2024 07:51:02   #
Bridges Loc: Memphis, Charleston SC, now Nazareth PA
 
TonyP wrote:
I can't see any use for a UV filter in the digital age. Why use an extra piece of glass on a lens that is only going to be degraded by a piece of cheaper glass.
If you are looking for whatever protection it might provide the B+W is your best choice imo.
I use B&W ND and CPL filters, but only when needed (unless like recently I forgot to take the ND off and was having to use exposure compensation all day!)


The discussion of whether to filter or not to filter has been beaten to death many times here on UHH. No one has come up with definitive proof that filters of high quality degrade a photo. In fact, due to the multi-coatings, the better filters have, a filter could improve a shot. The extra layer of glass is a problem when the light source hits at a certain angle causing lens flare --- it could extend the flare due to the light bouncing off an extra element. Some people like the flare effect while others do not. Shooting with the light source in mind and use of hoods will eliminate that situation. When you speak of cheaper glass I'm not sure what you are talking about. What makes you think a top-grade filter is cheap glass? A typical zoom lens will have 9 to 15 elements of glass and if you put a price of say 100.00 per element, then the price of a filter could be about the same price as any one of the other pieces of glass in that lens.

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Jan 22, 2024 08:06:43   #
agillot
 
If you have a lens shade on your lens , no reason to add another piece of glass [ or plastic ] to the lens . Never ever had an issue with hitting the lens on something . But since it is an non starter with you , why even asking .

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Jan 22, 2024 09:02:31   #
Hip Coyote
 
TonyP wrote:
So use a wrist strap.


Actually I use a deal from Op Tech that carries the camera right on my chest called a reporter’s strap. It hangs off my back pack straps so that I can keep my hands free during some serious trekking, scrambling, etc. A pretty cool system when going on more than a jaunt in an easy trail. Otherwise I use a regular ol neck strap. I don’t care to have my hands tied up with a camera attached to a wrist strap, particularly in a street environment. Need hands free.

It’s all a matter of preference, no?

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Jan 22, 2024 09:14:00   #
jbk224 Loc: Long Island, NY
 
ArcticTrails wrote:
I have both B+W and the Hoya HD3 UV filters and both are good filters, but the Hoya HD3 filters do a better job of repelling dirt.

Cheers,
Kai


Thank you Kai. Great feedback.
Jon

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Jan 22, 2024 09:14:42   #
GLSmith Loc: Tampa, Fl
 
I use a hardened clear glass or UV filter on my lenses when I set remotes (rocket launch pads). I had specifically been looking for a "good" moisture repellant or wicking filter, which Hoya advertised. First time use, total failure. I find that the environment I work in, the B&H tend to last longer

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Jan 22, 2024 09:20:57   #
jbk224 Loc: Long Island, NY
 
agillot wrote:
If you have a lens shade on your lens , no reason to add another piece of glass [ or plastic ] to the lens . Never ever had an issue with hitting the lens on something . But since it is an non starter with you , why even asking .


Thanks for your reply.
The non-starter is whether I use a filter or not. I will..no matter what. I have had experience with the filter protecting the lens--of course when dropped. While a lens hood works as well, it is not always on--especially when indoors.
So my 'asking' is regarding the two filters..and I have received some great feedback.

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Jan 22, 2024 09:32:51   #
Jimmy T Loc: Virginia
 
jbk224 wrote:
I have both Hoya HD3 UV and B+W XS-Pro 007M MRC Nano Clear 77mm filters.
I have always used the B+W filters to 'permanently' sit on my lens.
And have not used the Hoya Filters--for no special reason other than I had the B+Ws first.
I'm expecting to receive my Z24-120 S this week and will use one of these filters.
(These 77mm filters were kept after I sold my 28-300)
Does anyone have recommendations for one or the other? Not using any one of these is a non-starter.
Thanks for your help.
I have both Hoya HD3 UV and B+W XS-Pro 007M MRC Na... (show quote)


Yes, I know that the question is "Hoya vs B+W Filters".
However, I like to keep my Canon lenses safe with Canon Protect Filters.
I'm pretty sure that Canon would not manufacture any "Junk" for their optics.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/763705-REG/Canon_2602A001_77mm_UV_Protector_Filter.html

Best Wishes,
JimmyT Sends

PS: A quick "Search" (top left, 4th bubble over) will provide hours of reading regarding this post-mortem subject.

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