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Jan 16, 2024 08:33:35   #
Jack 13088 Loc: Central NY
 
btbg wrote:
You are assuming that the image is completely edited before it is opened in photoshop. That may not be the case. For example sometimes I do my basic editing, then open the image in photoshop and then decide that it needs some masking and other changes. Then I send it back to acr. My understanding is the new edits are applied following the original edits. If I am wrong, please correct me.

Good question. I only use ACR as the Develop module in LrC which remembers the edit history in its database (AKA catalog). I think you would want to send it to Ps as a smart object but I don’t know how and if that works as smoothly as it should. LrC and Ps are supposed to be two peas in a pod. I have not explored that route..

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Jan 16, 2024 10:38:35   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
Jack 13088 wrote:
Good question. I only use ACR as the Develop module in LrC which remembers the edit history in its database (AKA catalog). I think you would want to send it to Ps as a smart object but I don’t know how and if that works as smoothly as it should. LrC and Ps are supposed to be two peas in a pod. I have not explored that route..
The ACR filter in PS looks a lot like the LR (classic) Develop module, but it does NOT have a history list. You can “undo” any number of steps but there is no history list.

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Jan 16, 2024 21:14:55   #
Jack 13088 Loc: Central NY
 
JD750 wrote:
The ACR filter in PS looks a lot like the LR (classic) Develop module, but it does NOT have a history list. You can “undo” any number of steps but there is no history list.


I never noticed that because I have never used ACR in PS except to verify the claim that it is identical to Lr.

Lr is all about organization and saving large numbers of photos without making copies of the image data within the camera generated files. Hence, when you edit a file rather than store the result after each operation it immediately saves your input for the operation (keystrokes, mouse movements, screen touches or, in my case, Wacom strokes). When you want to print, post or publish the final output by Export it reproduces all operation in full resolution before applying the desired color gambit and any compression such as jpg.

In Ps (My speculation. I’ve never verified this.) ACR apparently saves the changes locally until you save as the results in a file type of your choosing. In the Ps case the history does not serve any purpose. I suppose it saves edits in a compressed form as a sidecar file if you choose to save as raw for reuse in another Adobe application.

The advantages to the database approach of storing the camera file separate from the change history in a database catalog include in reducing storage size because you never need to make copies of the humongous camera files and you can go back and change an operation in say ten years without recalling and redoing the entire process. It also permit selective copying edits between selected photos and virtual copies in catalog. The disadvantage is the Library module and its import dialog is a clumsy burden for some. I don’t see a remedy to that.

Ps is still much better in selective edits but is a pixel by pixel editor and storing reversible edits is double humongous in size. I like the database and count on it so I start in LrC go to Ps primarily for power line removal and return psd files to LrC for safe keeping. But to each his own.

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Jan 16, 2024 23:32:45   #
jcboy3
 
MrBob wrote:
YES... I think a lot of us have gotten spoiled with our zooms, not that they are not very useful but most of us can still move back and forth a bit. If we thought more of " cropping " as pixel reduction, we would be more careful in our compositions... I need to start practicing some of this stuff !!


Most of the time, I have no room to move back and forth, as it would involve stepping off a cliff, into water, into traffic, through a wall, into people...and so on.

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Jan 17, 2024 13:43:11   #
JBGLADSTONE Loc: Oregon
 
Spagatz wrote:
I apply lens corrections and personal profile and common key words at import, and make global and local adjustments to match color temp and density. Next I do picks and rejects and drag rejects into a subfolder, color code HDR and pano image components. If there are sensor dust spots, I remove from one file and apply to all. While pano and HDR is processing, I pick representative images to locally adjust, then apply the correction to similar images or lighting situations. Lastly go through the remaining images to reject or star rate them. Subsequent edits are individual, not linear.
I apply lens corrections and personal profile and ... (show quote)


Thank you for addressing "lens correction" . I just researched my photo editor, ON1 2024.1, and it has automatic lens correction. On1 adjusts my Tamron & Canon lens. Although I can go in and make any level changes manually. I have never tried or I guess given it any thought about correction. "I just Assumed"

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Jan 21, 2024 10:46:58   #
Tommg
 
good as any

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