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Jan 20, 2024 09:29:02   #
Bubbee Loc: Aventura, Florida
 
Use manual mode, spot or center-weighted metering, zero in on your subject to set your exposure. If you use Auto, use Exposure Lock to set. Or, as noted above, get mirrorless...What you see, is what you get!

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Jan 20, 2024 11:33:02   #
a6k Loc: Detroit & Sanibel
 
Longshadow wrote:
True in general.

I just spot meter on the subject and adjust from there if necessary.


This is a good approach, BUT the meter will try to make the subject equal to something like 12 to 18% depending on the way the factory set it AND depending on if shooting raw or JPG or other non-raw.

So a lighter than middle gray subject or a darker one will require adjustment.

OK, now for the easy way: if the dynamic range is well within the sensor's ability then shoot raw, fix it in post.

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Jan 20, 2024 11:35:45   #
srt101fan
 
User ID wrote:
Imaginary problems are very popular with some Hogsters. Exposure is dirt simple.


Ain't that the truth....

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Jan 20, 2024 11:36:38   #
a6k Loc: Detroit & Sanibel
 
billnikon wrote:
Do you have a mirrorless camera? If you do, you can see exactly what you are getting through the viewfinder as you change the EC.


I don't know if this is only for mirrorless but my display in the viewfinder shows exposure on a scale with what it thinks is perfect at zero in the center of the scale. Easy, then, to adjust.

Also, with most digitals in my experience, if you have it set to lock exposure and focus with a half-press then you can pick a spot (spot meter of course) that will give the desired exposure as you are seeing it.

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Jan 20, 2024 11:42:22   #
srt101fan
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I never use the exposure compensation either but to many the exposure compensation control is the only mean to control exposure. Even when they shoot in manual (but have auto ISO on) the apeture and shutter speed don't control exposure.


Nothing wrong with using exposure compensation. Don't make it sound like their is.

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Jan 20, 2024 11:44:51   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
a6k wrote:
This is a good approach, BUT the meter will try to make the subject equal to something like 12 to 18% depending on the way the factory set it AND depending on if shooting raw or JPG or other non-raw.

So a lighter than middle gray subject or a darker one will require adjustment.

OK, now for the easy way: if the dynamic range is well within the sensor's ability then shoot raw, fix it in post.

That's why I said "...and adjust from there if necessary.".

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Jan 20, 2024 11:56:42   #
BebuLamar
 
srt101fan wrote:
Nothing wrong with using exposure compensation. Don't make it sound like their is.


That's a way of doing thing. I just say that's the most popular mean of controlling exposure today. Nothing wrong about it of course. Just that I never used it, it's more time consuming for me than simply switching to full manual.

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Jan 20, 2024 12:23:45   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Let me propose a different approach that gives you complete control over the exposure and makes max use of the camera’s automation (which is always faster than you can adjust in changing light conditions) - manual shutter and aperture with auto ISO AND EC (assuming your camera supports the combination).

First a couple of suppositions. SS is critical - in general, a blurry subject (even with AI PP) is useless. Aperture is critical - insufficient DOF (again, even with AI PP) is useless, and too much DOF ruins subject isolation. With modern cameras, ISO is NOT critical. Most newer FF bodies are quite usable at ISO 12,800 and crop at 6,400, and modern AI PP can often remove the noise. So let the camera do what it does better than you in a fast moving, light changing situation - adjust the ISO, which is NOT critical. Now for EC. What EC does is change the metering sensitivity.

So you pick a shutter speed that freezes the subject (if that’s your intention). Pick an aperture that provides the required DOF, let the camera pick the ISO, and if the image is too dark or light, just adjust the EC. If you’re composing landscapes or still subjects, then you may choose to spot meter, set everything manually and shoot as many frames as necessary to get the required result. But IF light is changing, the subject is moving or the scene is evolving rapidly, auto ISO + EC is a great combination.

Steve Perry, a well known wildlife photographer, made exactly this case for auto ISO + EC a few years ago on UHH after Canon first intriduced auto ISO + EC on their 5D4, and his results back up his opinion.

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Jan 20, 2024 12:34:39   #
srt101fan
 
TriX wrote:
Let me propose a different approach that gives you complete control over the exposure and makes max use of the camera’s automation (which is always faster than you can adjust in changing light conditions) - manual shutter and aperture with auto ISO AND EC (assuming your camera supports the combination).

First a couple of suppositions. SS is critical - in general, a blurry subject (even with AI PP) is useless. Aperture is critical - insufficient DOF (again, even with AI PP) is useless, and too much DOF ruins subject isolation. With modern cameras, ISO is NOT critical. Most newer FF bodies are quite usable at ISO 12,800 and crop at 6,400, and modern AI PP can often remove the noise. So let the camera do what it does better than you in a fast moving, light changing situation - adjust the ISO, which is NOT critical. Now for EC. What EC does is change the metering sensitivity.

So you pick a shutter speed that freezes the subject (if that’s your intention). Pick an aperture that provides the required DOF, let the camera pick the ISO, and if the image is too dark or light, just adjust the EC. If you’re composing landscapes or still subjects, then you may choose to spot meter, set everything manually and shoot as many frames as necessary to get the required result. But IF light is changing, the subject is moving or the scene is evolving rapidly, auto ISO + EC is a great combination.
Let me propose a different approach that gives you... (show quote)


Another vote for M + Auto ISO + EC .....

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Jan 20, 2024 12:57:17   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
TriX wrote:
.... manual shutter and aperture with auto ISO AND EC ....




In that situation EC allows you to regain control over the exposure if you think that the camera is going to make an inappropriate choice for exposure level. In this mode the factors which determine the need for EC are the same as they've always been so there's no need for new skills or a new understanding.

As you say, M+AutoISO+EC allows you to make full use of the assistance that the camera is capable of providing. If you don't see a need for EC, let Auto ISO decide the exposure - which it will do dynamically, and that in turn allows you to concentrate on more important things. Getting shutter speed and DOF right are more important than using the lowest possible ISO, so SS and aperture are the variables that are most important to control. When all is said and done, the content of the image is what matters most, so that is what you want to be free to concentrate on.

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Jan 20, 2024 12:59:08   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
TriX wrote:
Let me propose a different approach that gives you complete control over the exposure and makes max use of the camera’s automation (which is always faster than you can adjust in changing light conditions) - manual shutter and aperture with auto ISO AND EC (assuming your camera supports the combination).

First a couple of suppositions. SS is critical - in general, a blurry subject (even with AI PP) is useless. Aperture is critical - insufficient DOF (again, even with AI PP) is useless, and too much DOF ruins subject isolation. With modern cameras, ISO is NOT critical. Most newer FF bodies are quite usable at ISO 12,800 and crop at 6,400, and modern AI PP can often remove the noise. So let the camera do what it does better than you in a fast moving, light changing situation - adjust the ISO, which is NOT critical. Now for EC. What EC does is change the metering sensitivity.

So you pick a shutter speed that freezes the subject (if that’s your intention). Pick an aperture that provides the required DOF, let the camera pick the ISO, and if the image is too dark or light, just adjust the EC. If you’re composing landscapes or still subjects, then you may choose to spot meter, set everything manually and shoot as many frames as necessary to get the required result. But IF light is changing, the subject is moving or the scene is evolving rapidly, auto ISO + EC is a great combination.

Steve Perry, a well known wildlife photographer, made exactly this case for auto ISO + EC a few years ago on UHH after Canon first intriduced auto ISO + EC on their 5D4, and his results back up his opinion.
Let me propose a different approach that gives you... (show quote)


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Jan 20, 2024 13:53:13   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
TriX wrote:
Let me propose a different approach that gives you complete control over the exposure and makes max use of the camera’s automation (which is always faster than you can adjust in changing light conditions) - manual shutter and aperture with auto ISO AND EC (assuming your camera supports the combination).

First a couple of suppositions. SS is critical - in general, a blurry subject (even with AI PP) is useless. Aperture is critical - insufficient DOF (again, even with AI PP) is useless, and too much DOF ruins subject isolation. With modern cameras, ISO is NOT critical. Most newer FF bodies are quite usable at ISO 12,800 and crop at 6,400, and modern AI PP can often remove the noise. So let the camera do what it does better than you in a fast moving, light changing situation - adjust the ISO, which is NOT critical. Now for EC. What EC does is change the metering sensitivity.

So you pick a shutter speed that freezes the subject (if that’s your intention). Pick an aperture that provides the required DOF, let the camera pick the ISO, and if the image is too dark or light, just adjust the EC. If you’re composing landscapes or still subjects, then you may choose to spot meter, set everything manually and shoot as many frames as necessary to get the required result. But IF light is changing, the subject is moving or the scene is evolving rapidly, auto ISO + EC is a great combination.

Steve Perry, a well known wildlife photographer, made exactly this case for auto ISO + EC a few years ago on UHH after Canon first intriduced auto ISO + EC on their 5D4, and his results back up his opinion.
Let me propose a different approach that gives you... (show quote)


I started doing that for wildlife, now use it most of the time.

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Jan 20, 2024 14:04:38   #
PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA
 
JimBart wrote:
Need a little help… seems like I’ve forgotten something Tell me if I’m correct and if not please set me straight
Attempting to get the detail of the subject against the background
1. Light (white, creme etc) subject against a dark background equal a negative ex comp
2. Light subject against light background equal a zero or plus exp comp
3. Dark subject against dark background equals plus exp comp
4. Dark subject against lighter or bright background equals a zero or minus exp comp
5. Subject in front of a bright or dark no curtained window equals a negative exp comp.
Thanks for setting me straight
Need a little help… seems like I’ve forgotten some... (show quote)


1 yes
2 yes
3 opposite - camera will overexpose
4 yes
5 yes

it is more important how bright or dark. If the overall content isn't average brightness, the camera will try to make it average.
It also depends on the subject. As an example, if in #5 you want outside properly exposed, you might need to expose minus, but if the interior is the subject, plus.

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Jan 20, 2024 14:13:54   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
PHRubin wrote:
1 yes
2 yes
3 opposite - camera will overexpose
4 yes
5 yes

it is more important how bright or dark. If the overall content isn't average brightness, the camera will try to make it average.
It also depends on the subject. As an example, if in #5 you want outside properly exposed, you might need to expose minus, but if the interior is the subject, plus.


That’s why I didn’t give yes or no answers. None of this is cut and dried. Whether the background is dark and the subject light or vice versa it really depends on the balance between light and dark.

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Jan 20, 2024 14:46:43   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
That’s why I didn’t give yes or no answers. None of this is cut and dried. Whether the background is dark and the subject light or vice versa it really depends on the balance between light and dark.
What it really depends on is photographer's vision. I seek dramatic lighting quite often, especially very dark (shadowed) backgrounds with subjects in sunlight. Under-exposing is essential; and shooting in raw makes life much easier

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