unaltered shots
Jan 15, 2024 19:58:41 #
Bill_de wrote:
If you have followed Larry for any amount of time, you should know that Larry likes to speak for the majority. What majority that is, he never explained. 
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Jan 15, 2024 20:08:03 #
Blenheim Orange wrote:
I don't think any of that is true, is it?
It's all true, with exact results depending upon the software you are using.
All JPEG files are processed, whether in the camera or in post-processing software. SOME software will open a raw file and display an image with the same processing that the camera would have given it. You can tweak from there. However, MOST third party software will display a default conversion that is different from what the camera did. You might set up default parameters, or use the software developer's defaults, but what you get is always an interpretation. You may interpret a raw file any way you like.
Jan 15, 2024 20:11:29 #
Blenheim Orange wrote:
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Any image you post will be judged by the image, and no one even need know your process.
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Any image you post will be judged by the image, and no one even need know your process.
BINGO!
(or cares...)
Jan 15, 2024 20:40:59 #
larryepage
Loc: North Texas area
Blenheim Orange wrote:
That is not at all true. Why make trouble on a thread started by a new member?
Processing is done on all digital images. Some prefer to let the camera do the processing. That is their choice.
Any image you post will be judged by the image, and no one even need know your process.
Processing is done on all digital images. Some prefer to let the camera do the processing. That is their choice.
Any image you post will be judged by the image, and no one even need know your process.
What I said is true. And yes, all images are processed in some way by the camera. What the OP and I are talking about is being very intentional to use available camera adjustments to achieve usable JPEGs straight from the camera. As long as people here are unaware of what has gone on, life is fine. Once they know, most posts shift to why it can't be done. And if it can, it certainly shouldn't be.
Jan 15, 2024 21:03:28 #
burkphoto wrote:
It's all true, with exact results depending upon t... (show quote)
Do you think most people here use raw files?
Jan 15, 2024 21:12:32 #
larryepage wrote:
What I said is true. And yes, all images are processed in some way by the camera. What the OP and I are talking about is being very intentional to use available camera adjustments to achieve usable JPEGs straight from the camera. As long as people here are unaware of what has gone on, life is fine. Once they know, most posts shift to why it can't be done. And if it can, it certainly shouldn't be.
OK, why don't you just "be very intentional to use available camera adjustments to achieve usable JPEGs straight from the camera." Go for it. No one will know or care. It is your suggestion otherwise that is incorrect. Even if "the vocal majority" is "hostile" to the notion that acceptable JPEGs can be produced by cameras - I don't think most people here think that - so what? Who cares? What does that have to do with posting your images? People will judge the images by the images, not by your opinions about file formats.
Jan 15, 2024 21:12:34 #
Blenheim Orange wrote:
Do you think most people here use raw files?
I shoot raw and jpg. I seldom use the raw, saving them for when I want to do larger prints.
With the quality of today's jpg files, it's more about nostalgia.
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Jan 15, 2024 21:47:14 #
Bill_de wrote:
I shoot raw and jpg. I seldom use the raw, saving them for when I want to do larger prints.
With the quality of today's jpg files, it's more about nostalgia.
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With the quality of today's jpg files, it's more about nostalgia.
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I used to do that, but so often I wanted to make minor tweaks that were much easier to do with raw files than with JPEGs, and it is so easy to export a JPEG, that I stopped bothering with SOOC JPEGS. Everything is so much faster and easier with raw files, in my experience. Others are happy with the JPEGs from the camera and get good results.
Jan 16, 2024 02:51:59 #
bigruckus wrote:
I am fairly new at this site and am just curious as to whether or not there is a section for unaltered shots with maybe the exception of cropping? Thanks.
What fun or satisfaction is it to limit the craftsmanship in making of a work to just one tool?
Like a:
•• master carpenter wanting to build an award winning show house, limiting himself to the use of only a measuring tape;
•• top rated chef wanting to produce a show-stopping five course meal, limiting himself to the use of only an egg beater;
•• top rated seamstress determining to produce the highest quality wedding gown, limiting herself to the use of only a thimble;
•• top-ranked giant slalom ski racer determining to win the championship, limiting herself to the use of only one ski boot, no skis, no poles;
•• best down home meal maker in the county determining to win grand champion prize at the state fair, limiting herself to only collecting the ingredients for the home-cooked meal, then turning in a take-out bagged meal from KFC as her entry at the fair;
•• world class photographer aiming to produce the best work he can, limiting himself to only the use of the algorithm of the camera-processed output?
Jan 16, 2024 04:58:40 #
dustie wrote:
What fun or satisfaction is it to limit the crafts... (show quote)
Excellent point indeed.
Jan 16, 2024 05:49:36 #
larryepage wrote:
Just as a comment...you will find that the vocal majority here are quite hostile to the notion that it is possible to achieve worthy results directly from the camera (read that as "any camera).
You will get the best results by posting such images without comment or distinguishing notes. When responses come back positive, you can later inform that no processing was done.
You will get the best results by posting such images without comment or distinguishing notes. When responses come back positive, you can later inform that no processing was done.
Excellent suggestion!
Jan 16, 2024 07:31:09 #
SOOC does not mean, "unaltered". I alter a lot of photos before I shoot. Using contrast or saturation tweaks, even zooming for compression, or aperture for separating background etc. alters the image. Shooting RAW with a 45mm lens on FF at f5.6 with zero exposure compensation might come close to "unaltered"
Jan 16, 2024 07:38:56 #
Jan 16, 2024 07:43:29 #
Longshadow wrote:
Not that I am aware....
Isn't cropping altered?
Isn't cropping altered?
Yes and No.
Cropping may simply be equivalent to changing lenses - or zooming optically or digitally.
If re-composing maybe yes.
Jan 16, 2024 07:48:44 #
BebuLamar wrote:
I normally don't alter my photos but I almost always do the following. Change the color temperature. Change the contrast level. Often adjust the shadow level. Change the saturation level.
Adjusting contrast can give the illusion of increased sharpness.
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