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The Berserker Hypothesis: A Sci-Fi Inspired Solution to the Fermi Paradox's Great Silence
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Jan 11, 2024 23:23:50   #
mr spock Loc: Fairfield CT
 
NickGee wrote:
Of course, upwards of 98% of the known universe is greater than 10,000 light years away (and most of it over 1,000,000 light years away), which goes a long way toward explaining the absence of detections of "intelligent" signals. And then of course there's the universe beyond the known universe, which could be multiple times the volume of the known universe, and from which no signals can possibly ever be detected. In truth, then, it's not difficult at all to understand why no intelligent life has been detected. The jury is out on this question and likely always will be.
Of course, upwards of 98% of the known universe is... (show quote)


Distances so vast as to be difficult to comprehend

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Jan 12, 2024 06:45:13   #
ELNikkor
 
...and once we're all gone, with no one left to go berserk on, all those machines will sit around and watch Youtube...

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Jan 12, 2024 06:58:17   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
Everything one needs to know about the universal universe is explained in the British series...
"The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_the_Galaxy_(TV_series)

If you have any questions ... understanding two heads are better than one... Zaphod Beeblebrox will answer them.



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Jan 12, 2024 09:30:29   #
Mark Sturtevant Loc: Grand Blanc, MI
 
I enjoyed Saberhagan's Berserker stories, but there is ample reason to doubt the truth of it. This depicts our Milky Way galaxy, and it shows how far our radio broadcasts have traveled. For any intelligence to detect us, they would have to be within that sphere.



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Jan 12, 2024 09:41:30   #
FrumCA
 
Mark Sturtevant wrote:
I enjoyed Saberhagan's Berserker stories, but there is ample reason to doubt the truth of it. This depicts our Milky Way galaxy, and it shows how far our radio broadcasts have traveled. For any intelligence to detect us, they would have to be within that sphere.

Now this gives perspective!!

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Jan 12, 2024 10:18:27   #
fourlocks Loc: Londonderry, NH
 
It’s just as likely all intelligent civilizations follow our same path with a runaway reproduction rate over-utilizing resources until it collapses before establishing itself on other planets. It’s only taken us 150 years to go from a sustainable, agricultural population to one that’s turning the planet into a wasteland in an out-of-control rush to squeeze every last food and energy source from the planet. What’s going to come first for us; interstellar travel or a collapse of our unsustainable civilization? Looks like the latter, to me.

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Jan 12, 2024 13:57:29   #
photonaut Loc: Albuquerque, New Mexico USA
 
Your post was very interesting. It brought back fond memories of Fred Saberhagen. I knew him well and still see his wife occasionally. She has been working with a publisher to reissue his Berserker series. Thanks for the post and the thought you put into it.

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Jan 12, 2024 14:39:12   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
fourlocks wrote:
It’s just as likely all intelligent civilizations follow our same path with a runaway reproduction rate over-utilizing resources until it collapses before establishing itself on other planets. It’s only taken us 150 years to go from a sustainable, agricultural population to one that’s turning the planet into a wasteland in an out-of-control rush to squeeze every last food and energy source from the planet. What’s going to come first for us; interstellar travel or a collapse of our unsustainable civilization? Looks like the latter, to me.
It’s just as likely all intelligent civilizations ... (show quote)

Think Easter Island...

bwa

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Jan 12, 2024 15:53:00   #
fourlocks Loc: Londonderry, NH
 
bwana wrote:
Think Easter Island...

bwa


Ha! What a great example. Along with using up every other resource, the Easter Islanders cut down every last tree on the island thus making escape impossible. I wonder if their priests and ruling elite told them, “Don’t worry about how we’ll live; just keep making statues and the gods will provide. Trust us.”

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Jan 12, 2024 16:07:26   #
NickGee Loc: Pacific Northwest
 
fourlocks wrote:
It’s just as likely all intelligent civilizations follow our same path with a runaway reproduction rate over-utilizing resources until it collapses before establishing itself on other planets. It’s only taken us 150 years to go from a sustainable, agricultural population to one that’s turning the planet into a wasteland in an out-of-control rush to squeeze every last food and energy source from the planet. What’s going to come first for us; interstellar travel or a collapse of our unsustainable civilization? Looks like the latter, to me.
It’s just as likely all intelligent civilizations ... (show quote)


Better yet that a life-sustaining planet not experience that horrible accident of evolution that provided our species with "higher" intelligence. That was evolution's big mistake on planet Earh. Had that not occurred, our planet would indeed be an eden (periodically, at least).

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Jan 12, 2024 16:27:14   #
neillaubenthal
 
NickGee wrote:
Of course, upwards of 98% of the known universe is greater than 10,000 light years away (and most of it over 1,000,000 light years away), which goes a long way toward explaining the absence of detections of "intelligent" signals. And then of course there's the universe beyond the known universe, which could be multiple times the volume of the known universe, and from which no signals can possibly ever be detected. In truth, then, it's not difficult at all to understand why no intelligent life has been detected. The jury is out on this question and likely always will be.
Of course, upwards of 98% of the known universe is... (show quote)


Yep…this is the same as the reason that artillery shooting doesn’t worry about friendly aircraft in the air…but sky small bullet theory.

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Jan 12, 2024 16:56:13   #
lbrande
 
neillaubenthal wrote:
Yep…this is the same as the reason that artillery shooting doesn’t worry about friendly aircraft in the air…but sky small bullet theory.


When we were planning ops, we had the arty types "programmed" to prevent as many friendly issues as possible, which of course included helos.

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Jan 12, 2024 18:47:04   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
Mark Sturtevant wrote:
I enjoyed Saberhagan's Berserker stories, but there is ample reason to doubt the truth of it. This depicts our Milky Way galaxy, and it shows how far our radio broadcasts have traveled. For any intelligence to detect us, they would have to be within that sphere.

Unless they can detect us from our atmospheric light spectrum like we're trying to use for distant planets...

bwa

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