Sensor size in a point and shoot (Page 3): Sure size matters. Because I am limited in my ability to carry a lot of gear, I have taken to a camera (Panasonic Lumix) with 1 inch sensor...

SlideArtist Loc: Connecticut

Sure size matters. Because I am limited in my ability to carry a lot of gear, I have taken to a camera (Panasonic Lumix) with 1 inch sensor and have done very well with it. I also have used p/s little Sony HX 80 (and now HX99) and have gotten reasonable sharp images if I don't use super zoom range. I have only printed 11x14 however. And since you define yourself as someone to whom it matters quite a bit that an image be sharp, I'd go with the larger sensor.

AzPicLady Loc: Behind the camera!

PHRubin wrote:

The Canon 1D Mk IV IS a full frame camera. I have no idea what you mean by full size.

It's an APS-C. Not full frame.

markwilliam1

bsprague wrote:

"All boils down to whether you want a tourists camera or a photographers camera."

I consider the Sony RX100 VII to be both. My thinking is that bulky stuff gets in the way of both photographers and tourists.

I own this amazing camera and have taken many pictures around the World with it. It’s as good as my Sony RX10 MIV with 20.1MP the RX100VII has the same MP. BUT it fits in my coat pocket! I have printed 13X19 prints that are as good as my RX10!

markwilliam1

bikinkawboy wrote:

I’ve taken apart several of the cigarette pack sized point and shoots. The sensor is approximately 3/8”x1/4”. Once I took one apart it was obvious why the image quickly deteriorates so quickly when you enlarge the images.

What? That doesn’t make any sense! What point and shoots? You can’t take them apart. You’re a fool!

PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA

AzPicLady wrote:

It's an APS-C. Not full frame.

I looked it up and it appears it is somewhere in-between, An APS-H sensor, 27.9 x 18.6mm! That gives it a 1.3 crop factor rather than the Canon APS-C of 1.6.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/802501853-USE/canon_3822b002_eos_1d_mark_iv.html/specs

bikinkawboy Loc: north central Missouri

I’ve been tearing stuff apart since I was a little kid. And putting some of it back together as well. I figure if some person in China can put it together then I can take it apart.

One of those pocket cameras was a Kodak and the other was some kind of cheap Walmart thing (Samsung??). I had some photos of a sensor compared to the tip of a sharpened pencil but I can’t find them now.

Take apart a hard drive sometime, really cool chromed discs, impressive machining on the motor and cute little ball bearings!

AzPicLady Loc: Behind the camera!

PHRubin wrote:

I looked it up and it appears it is somewhere in-between, An APS-H sensor, 27.9 x 18.6mm! That gives it a 1.3 crop factor rather than the Canon APS-C of 1.6.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/802501853-USE/canon_3822b002_eos_1d_mark_iv.html/specs

I stand corrected. I never can keep all that nomenclature straight. But I knew it wasn't full frame.

Bridges Loc: Memphis, Charleston SC, now Nazareth PA

cptiger wrote:

How much does it matter? I'm pretty particular about results printing 12 x 18 or less. My main camera is an R5. Will I be satisfied with a 1/2.3 (which is less than 1/2 inch) or should I go with a 1 inch? I may know the answer, but someone might surprise me!

If you can afford the R5, you won't shy away from the Sony RX100 Viii with a 1" sensor. This little guy is rated as the top point-and-shoot camera and costs 1200 + dollars. I have a friend who just acquired one and loves it. It is only about the size of a pack of cigarettes so I would recommend getting the add-on grip or you may find it seems a little clumsy to hold.

You might also consider the Lumix LX10. I have an earlier version of this camera and when my friend bought the Sony, we compared photos shot with both cameras. The Sony was a very slight bit sharper so despite double the price for the Sony, that is the one she bought. I have been happy with the results from the Lumix. Both cameras have 1" and 20 MPX sensors. The Lumix is slightly larger and for me with my large hands, is easier to grip.

markwilliam1

bikinkawboy wrote:

I’ve been tearing stuff apart since I was a little... (show quote)

I believe we’re talking about high end point and shoot cameras Not some cheap Walmart cameras! The ones you can’t take apart! I can’t imagine trying to take apart an over $1000 camera just to check out the sensor size 😂 Get a Grip Bro!

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PHRubin wrote:

I looked it up and it appears it is somewhere in-between, An APS-H sensor, 27.9 x 18.6mm! That gives it a 1.3 crop factor rather than the Canon APS-C of 1.6.

I reeeeeally wish the H-format had taken off. Then we could leave the petty format battles behind. Seems only Leica, Canon, and Sigma built them. If only "H" had been adopted by some really well respected company .....

bikinkawboy Loc: north central Missouri

markwilliam1 wrote:

I believe we’re talking about high end point and shoot cameras Not some cheap Walmart cameras! The ones you can’t take apart! I can’t imagine trying to take apart an over $1000 camera just to check out the sensor size 😂 Get a Grip Bro!

You give me a busted unrepairable $1,000 camera and I guarantee I could take it apart without using a sledgehammer. I’ve disassembled and repaired just everything from a diesel engine with a 300 pound crankshaft to a totally disassembled dirt bike engine a guy brought to me in a cardboard box. Repaired air conditioning compressors, 90 pound electric motors, VCRs, repaired my first color TV when I was 16, used a clay flowerpot and 5 gallon bucket to build a furnace to melt down garage door frames and cast and machined an oil cooler fitting for my motorcycle and so on. My biking friends call me MacGyver because I once repaired the charging system on a Harley as traffic whizzed by using a beer can I found along the Massachusetts turnpike. And I can build a barn just as easily as building fine furniture from trees I cut down and sawed up with my mill.

But I can understand you skepticism because some people got it and others don’t. For some people mechanical devices, electricity and hydraulics are black magic with concepts they will never grasp. Not so for me. In fact, often times I wake up at 2-3 AM with the solution to a problem I’ve been working on.

So I already got a very firm grip on a lot of stuff. I do enjoy the banter though. Take care and be well friend!

markwilliam1

bikinkawboy wrote:

You give me a busted unrepairable $1,000 camera an... (show quote)

Damn Sam! You’re the Man and I’m not saying it sarcastically. If I had a spare I would challenge you to take apart my RX100vii Lol! Best to You Brother

John N Loc: HP14 3QF Stokenchurch, UK

Bit of a luddite, me. Biggest sensor, not necessarily highest mp.

SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA

Delderby wrote:

The pic included in your reply is, I think, very p... (show quote)

Well since he didn’t upload the original all we can see is the diminished resolution thumbnail that UHH created. Really can’t judge from this.

Artcameraman Loc: Springfield NH

This is my opinion. APS-C size sensors are better for small prints, 5X7 or smaller. Big prints 20X24 require lots of pixels. No, nothing technical to consider here but if you want me to I can come up with the data. You notice I didn't mention resolution or refraction. But that's me. Cheers.