The Border! (Page 15): And you give yourself waaay too much credit!!

wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma

Triple G wrote:

But you can't resist commenting!

Same ole, same ole piling on is all you do.

And you give yourself waaay too much credit!!

Triple G

wilpharm wrote:

And you give yourself waaay too much credit!!

What was his answer?

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

letmedance wrote:

Racist is the key word describing the lack of comp... (show quote)

While I have and continue to support the need for comprehensive immigration reform to try to peg illegal immigrants to any type of debt issue is really disingenuous.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/fact-check-how-much-does-illegal-immigration-cost-america-not-n950981

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

DennyT wrote:

While I have and continue to support the need for comprehensive immigration reform to try to peg illegal immigrants to any type of debt issue is really disingenuous.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/fact-check-how-much-does-illegal-immigration-cost-america-not-n950981

I don't know, maybe you should read this....

https://homeland.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/Phase4Report.pdf

Any monies spent on illegal immigrants contributes to the debt when you consider that this country's deficit spending is approaching $2 Trillion/annually.

Triple G

DennyT wrote:

While I have and continue to support the need for comprehensive immigration reform to try to peg illegal immigrants to any type of debt issue is really disingenuous.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/fact-check-how-much-does-illegal-immigration-cost-america-not-n950981

updated info from above - 2023 will be higher.

Questions!
Why aren't TX, AZ at top of list
Are immigrants awaiting asylum court review
Costs by category: healthcare, education, administration

It's important to have metrics, but I'd like to find the raw numbers.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/cost-of-illegal-immigration-by-state

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

Blurryeyed wrote:

I don't know, maybe you should read this....

https://homeland.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/Phase4Report.pdf

Any monies spent on illegal immigrants contributes to the debt when you consider that this country's deficit spending is approaching $2 Trillion/annually.

Read the last para in you link( based on numbers from a private. Anti immigration. Study)
It states cost of illegal immigration to all government levels - federal, state and local of $182 B with tax revenue of $31B. ( and that doesn’t even consider the contribution to economy is terms of secondary spending and the secondary jobs created )
That equates to $151 B at all levels of govt.
I’m just saying trying to tieillegal immigration to nation debt is total unfounded .

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

DennyT wrote:

Read the last para in you link( based on numbers from a private. Anti immigration. Study)
It states cost of illegal immigration to all government levels - federal, state and local of $182 B with tax revenue of $31B. ( and that doesn’t even consider the contribution to economy is terms of secondary spending and the secondary jobs created )
That equates to $151 B at all levels of govt.
I’m just saying trying to ties illegal immigration to nation debt is total unfounded .

We don't know how much the Biden Administration is spending on immigration, I have heard it reported that we are actually flying people in that use his app, not sure if that is true but we are certainly spending on private organizations to transport and then feed and house these people all over our country, but the Biden Administration refuses to talk about it. You are talking about jobs? Really? The majority of the recent immigrants are not being employed but they are straining public services in the communities they are being located to both in education and medical services not to mention that they are blowing up city budgets. The mayor of Chicago recently said that caring for the influx of migrants is consuming 10% of the city's budget, that translates in 10% fewer services that can be offered to the residents of that city.

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

Blurryeyed wrote:

We don't know how much the Biden Administration is... (show quote)

1. The biggest reason the asylum
Seekers are not working is that federal government rules prevent them from getting work permits for 6 months. All I can think off is that is a holdover from the days if quicker immigration judicial actions . Both NYC and Chicago have ask biden to relax that rule but no action to date. No income - no money for rent, goody or medical services and no input to economy interms of taxes paid .or other secondary pluses.

“If” you were really worried about the financial burden you would support that .
3. “ You have heard”. Sounds exactly like a trumpism . Stupid.

letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.

DennyT wrote:

While I have and continue to support the need for comprehensive immigration reform to try to peg illegal immigrants to any type of debt issue is really disingenuous.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/fact-check-how-much-does-illegal-immigration-cost-america-not-n950981

Those that believe millions of Illegal immigrants are not causing additional debt have their heads up their ass.

Happy New Year.

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

letmedance wrote:

Those that believe millions of Illegal immigrants are not causing additional debt have their heads up their ass.

Happy New Year.

No one including I have the though of asylum seekers are not increasing thedebt !!

But to portray it as a bigger thing than it is is disingenuous at best is nothing more misleading

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

DennyT wrote:

1. The biggest reason the asylum br Seekers are no... (show quote)

Yeah, a group of people the majority of which have no skills and speak no English, employers are lining up to hire them.

letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.

DennyT wrote:

No one including I have the though of asylum seekers are not increasing thedebt !!

But to portray it as a bigger thing than it is is disingenuous at best is nothing more misleading

I could spend pages about the unseen costs incurred by Undocumented aliens and it would not convince folks on your side of the discussion. I do not have the time to try to explain it to those that suffer from tunnel vision.

Triple G

Blurryeyed wrote:

Yeah, a group of people the majority of which have no skills and speak no English, employers are lining up to hire them.

You should see all of them working here.

They are day workers and new home construction crews speaking Spanish solicit 12-20 workers for the each job of the day. The contractors are absolved from I-9 verification since a "temp agency" is fulfilling the requirements of the employer. The workers probably get paid in cash at the end of each day. They are out laying roofs, foundations, etc. as early at 7:00 and go until dark. The same is true for lawn care, drainage and watering landscaping projects, ongoing roof, shingle and storm damage projects.

There's no way to get the true numbers for what they add to local economies since all you see is the expense side.

The same is true in The Villages and other retirement communities. Our economy would come to a full stop without them.

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

Triple G wrote:

You should see all of them working here. br br ... (show quote)

Yes, and we have plenty of them, don't need 10 million more.

letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.

Triple G wrote:

You should see all of them working here. br br ... (show quote)

Those Laborers are taking away jobs from American Tax payers, the Myth is that Americans won't do those jobs, the truth is that undocumented workers have depressed the prevailing wages to a point that it is more profitable to stay home.