Plane Crash (Page 3): I just listened to four airplane guys - NTSB, etc., talking about the crash. The passengers remained calm. When they were on the ground, they were put into groups...

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

I just listened to four airplane guys - NTSB, etc., talking about the crash. The passengers remained calm. When they were on the ground, they were put into groups of ten, two-by-two, holding hands. Each group walkd to the terminal like that. Imagine that happening with American passengers.

I've heard many times of the evacuation being delayed by passengers getting their luggage. "I know rights!" "Do you know who I am?" "You can't tell me what to do."

One the guys online worked in the fire department side of it, and flies to airports giving presentations to the safety people. He always plays close attention to the safety briefing, noting exits and counting rows between him and the nearest exit. Other passengers are reading, talking, or listening to music. He often compliments the attendant who gave the safety talk.

huyenguyen408

A bit long: when I visit Tokyo and saw the crowd on street, they were very calm & order, but very rigid, so if the landing pilot saw the coastguard, why he could not avoid it in the last minute by taking off instead?

Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York

jerryc41 wrote:

A Japanese AirBus A350 with 379 people on board hit another plane as it was landing………….

An investigation into an accident of such magnitude will take months to reconstruct. It is always scary when a huge piece of machinery malfunctions. Rather than get caught up in the scuttlebutt of the moment, we should let the investigators do their due diligence.

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

Scruples wrote:

An investigation into an accident of such magnitude will take months to reconstruct. It is always scary when a huge piece of machinery malfunctions. Rather than get caught up in the scuttlebutt of the moment, we should let the investigators do their due diligence.

This "huge piece of machine" was human. The smaller plane should not have been on the runway. Listening to the tower, I don't know how anyone can understand anything. Investigations generally take about two years.

Look at Broncolirio - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_sQ1L_xPmo

BebuLamar

jerryc41 wrote:

This "huge piece of machine" was human. The smaller plane should not have been on the runway. Listening to the tower, I don't know how anyone can understand anything. Investigations generally take about two years.

Look at Broncolirio - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_sQ1L_xPmo

Of course we have to wait until the investigation is complete which may be years from now. But it seems to me the captain of the Dash 8 plane if he recovers would have a real hard time going on with his life.

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

BebuLamar wrote:

Of course we have to wait until the investigation is complete which may be years from now. But it seems to me the captain of the Dash 8 plane if he recovers would have a real hard time going on with his life.

marine73 Loc: Modesto California

jerryc41 wrote:

This "huge piece of machine" was human. The smaller plane should not have been on the runway. Listening to the tower, I don't know how anyone can understand anything. Investigations generally take about two years.

Look at Broncolirio - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_sQ1L_xPmo

It is training that allows the pilot/copilot understand what the tower or center is saying. They listen for key phrases like aircraft number/call sign, if they miss it on the first transmission it will be repeated. If they get distracted in the flight deck by a caution light or alarm they could miss a call, this is why there is a sterile cockpit rule until above a pre-determined altitude.

At busy airports the tower controllers sound like a machine gun when issuing instructions that is why you learn to listen and not just hear.

mikee

The Japanese passengers followed the flight attendants instructions. I can't but wonder how well that would go in the good-ol USA, where we can't agree on who goes first at a 4-way intersection.

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

mikee wrote:

The Japanese passengers followed the flight attendants instructions. I can't but wonder how well that would go in the good-ol USA, where we can't agree on who goes first at a 4-way intersection.

The passengers would be fighting in the aisles.

BebuLamar

jerryc41 wrote:

The passengers would be fighting in the aisles.

Edward Deming said that the American learned his method but the Japanese absorbed it. So a larger part is due the Japanese way of life.

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

BebuLamar wrote:

Edward Deming said that the American learned his method but the Japanese absorbed it. So a larger part is due the Japanese way of life.

Right, and American bosses laughed him out of their offices. The Japanese, on the other hand, saw the value of his system.

https://smallbusiness.chron.com/deming-management-method-74172.html

BebuLamar

jerryc41 wrote:

Right, and American bosses laughed him out of their offices. The Japanese, on the other hand, saw the value of his system.

https://smallbusiness.chron.com/deming-management-method-74172.html

After the success of the Japanese starting from the late 80's on the Amrican bosses hire him or some other organizations to teach his principle to their people. That was when Deming said that the American can learn it but they don't absorb it so they don't practice what they learned from him. I saw many companies rolling out the training on his principles only to see a lot of bullshit. They can never do what the Japanese did. It's not neccessarily bad. The Japanese did extremely well in technology but their best inventions in the 20th century was Instant Ramen and Karaoke. That is the Japanese can learn and adopt good things easily while not inventing so much themselves. The American had a lot of inventions but generally it took others to make the inventions useful. In fact it's the Japanese that appreciate the American ingenuity the most. More so than the Americans ourselves.

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

BebuLamar wrote:

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I've never gotten into the Raman noodles thing, but it's huge in Japan. No interest in karaoke.