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Jan 2, 2024 14:25:56   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Lucian wrote:
Unfortunately, half the time when they should really be saying Juk or they may be thinking that, they say beautiful photo, excellent work. That does not help the photographer to improve I agree with what is being said here, though.

Maybe they think it's a beautiful photo or excellent work and needs no improvement?????

Besides, most of the recommended "improvements" would simply be the opinion of the viewer,
what they might have done. Might not necessarily be an improvement, just different.....

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Jan 2, 2024 14:27:22   #
Lucian Loc: From Wales, living in Ohio
 
lamiaceae wrote:
You just proved his point and mine. The thought and writing Police rule the UHH. How unattractive to new possible members.


I have to jump in to say that there is merit to punctuation. It helps us to understand what is being said and helps to break up what would otherwise be a long and tedious post to read. I think most of us would also like to know if we are typing incorrect words. Using lense instead of lens, your instead of you're there instead of their and many others mistakes made while typing, often does not help others understand what is sometimes being said.

Like it or not, most people judge others by their spelling and use of the language. Therefore, it helps, in the long run, if people are helped out when using incorrect words to describe something. Of course, it is best approached in a kind manner and not a condescending one. If many are here to be helped to become better photographers, why be upset at also being helped to be better spellers as well?

The OP made a very good statement and surprise, surprise, it seems like we have all taken the time to read the single paragraph post. However, there are probably others on here, who did not bother, or gave up, due to it being long and drawn out, missing either needed punctuation and/or paragraph breaks. That is why it is suggested to watch how we post things.

Those that either stopped reading or did not even bother, missed a very good post, due to the way it was presented.

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Jan 2, 2024 14:40:03   #
Lucian Loc: From Wales, living in Ohio
 
Longshadow wrote:
Maybe they think it's a beautiful photo or excellent work and needs no improvement?????

Besides, most of the recommended "improvements" would simply be the opinion of the viewer,
what they might have done. Might not necessarily be an improvement, just different.....


I'm speaking about photos that get posted and asked about, by the OP, not a descent image that gets picked apart by the pedantics. Quite often there are ways to improve a photo by moving the camera a bit, not getting that telephone pole growing out of a head or paying attention to where the light was falling. Those are things that can help improve a photo. If a member is asking for comments in order to improve their work, then it does not help to simply say great shot, etc. if there was a way to better the image.

Of course, it might be that some of those commenting, did not have the understanding or knowledge to notice there were way to improve an image. That might be a case of the blind leading the blind.

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Jan 2, 2024 15:21:32   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Lucian wrote:
I'm speaking about photos that get posted and asked about, by the OP, not a descent image that gets picked apart by the pedantics. Quite often there are ways to improve a photo by moving the camera a bit, not getting that telephone pole growing out of a head or paying attention to where the light was falling. Those are things that can help improve a photo. If a member is asking for comments in order to improve their work, then it does not help to simply say great shot, etc. if there was a way to better the image.

Of course, it might be that some of those commenting, did not have the understanding or knowledge to notice there were way to improve an image. That might be a case of the blind leading the blind.
I'm speaking about photos that get posted and aske... (show quote)

Yea, there are a few where I could have said "Pick another subject.".....

But your first statement implied that no one offers suggestions for pictures (in general).
Many don't require suggestions.
But then again, they would simply be the opinion of the suggester.
Might be good, might not.
Might not agree with the photographer's intent.

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Jan 2, 2024 17:34:50   #
jtm1943
 
Well said, Bridges.

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Jan 3, 2024 02:08:05   #
TOG Loc: Sacramento Valley
 
Again~~"Another Well Said"!

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Jan 3, 2024 03:32:12   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
Longshadow wrote:
Yea, there are a few where I could have said "Pick another subject.".....

But your first statement implied that no one offers suggestions for pictures (in general).
Many don't require suggestions.
But then again, they would simply be the opinion of the suggester.
Might be good, might not.
Might not agree with the photographer's intent.


Those are precisely the reasons why I seldom give comments.
Even when i really meant it in good faith, it is often not appreciated and may even project bad vibes.
Also I am not privy with the situation when the photo was taken that my comment might be totally useless. An example is my location, where no photos are allowed of many places and people in general without approval & consent. Hence some of my photos are not really what i want them to be.

So, I often just give a thumbs-up. Thats me saying "I like what I saw" or "I agree" with the post.
More thumbs is me shouting ang saying "very well done".

If I do not like it, well, the poster liked it enough to share. No reason for me to shoot it down.
Unless they specifically asked for comments, help or upinion. Well, I do not really want to shoot it down and genuinely trying to help, but i'm not into flowery words. SO SORRY, I DONT WANT TO BE MEAN, just being straight to the point with whats in my mind according to what I have experienced before, or how I solved a similar dilemma.

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Jan 3, 2024 06:57:45   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Bridges wrote:
Sometimes I see a lot of meanness on this site. People without understanding the economies of other members, throw out recommendations about buying like they are the ultimate authority on a subject, or right out boast like they think others are stupid for not buying the best on the market. Some people skimp whenever they can due to their financial situation. Obviously, you can't buy a generic Nikon, Canon, Sony, or Olympus body so while someone may have funds for that, they may need to skimp elsewhere. Someone in another post actually said they would not buy a non-OEM battery because it might be made in a foreign country! Guess what -- your OEM batteries are made in a foreign country! Other answers berate members for buying 3rd party items like battery grips. Hey, maybe they don't need the grip that can fall off a 100 ft. cliff and survive, maybe they just like a grip that affords a better hold when using the camera in a vertical orientation. Someone else said they would only buy HP cartridges -- I have an answer for that -- professional equipment like printers using eight or more cartridges notwithstanding, if you own a printer that you paid a couple of hundred dollars for, you didn't buy a printer, you bought into a very expensive ink program. Those lower-priced printers are so cheap because when you buy one, HP, Canon, or any others the manufacturer has you by the balls! You will be paying through the nose for your ink. Epson, and now Canon and HP have printers that use tanks which are easy to fill and cost a fraction of what cartridges do. Another possibility is that when it comes to batteries who knows who makes them? There may only be two plants in Japan/China/Taiwan that make all of them and just put different names on them. Look at the round head flash from Neewer, Bolt, and Godox they are all the same unit, just a name change. When someone asks for advice, it would be nice to see people respond with their recommendations and not put others down for things like not using OEM equipment. I would bet 75% of people here who act like people are stupid for not spending the extra bucks for a Nikon/Canon/Sony battery, use a flash that is not OEM. I work part-time at Sam's Club and I've had people tell me they would only buy Everyready Batteries over the store brand. Guess what -- they are the same battery! They don't understand marketing -- they can't believe Everyready would sell us batteries that would undercut the name brand. I explain that most big retailers will have an inhouse brand and Eveyready knows if they don't sell us a generic, someone else would! This way they get all the business. Ever see two gas stations owned by the same company across the street from each other -- it's about limiting competition. While I understand some of the group has the money to buy top-drawer on all their equipment, I think putting others down (and that is what you are doing when you state I would only buy xxx) is insensitive and is an opinion you should keep to yourselves. When I was 15, I worked in a manufacturing jewelry shop. We sold Rolex watches both 14 kt. and gold plated. They looked identical so one day I asked Mr. Hays (the owner) why anyone would spend 1200 or more for a Rolex when they could have an identical watch in gold plate for a third of the price. I said no one would know the difference. Mr. Hays looked me in the eye and said, "Oh, but the owner would know". That has stuck with me for the last 58 years and I have tried to live life in a way so as not to flaunt what I have but to just respect my good fortune when something good comes my way. So UHHers, lighten up. Respect each other, give recommendations when asked, and don't come down on others for their choices. (If you are wondering about the cheap prices for Rolex Watches -- while I worked at the jewelry shop the US went off the gold standard. One day gold was 37.00 an ounce, the next day it was like 387.00 an ounce!)
Sometimes I see a lot of meanness on this site. P... (show quote)


You make some very good points. Having a brand name on an item doesn't make it better. Unfortunately, manufacturers are finding ways to keep us from using alternatives.

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Jan 3, 2024 07:46:25   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Wallen wrote:
Those are precisely the reasons why I seldom give comments.
Even when i really meant it in good faith, it is often not appreciated and may even project bad vibes.
Also I am not privy with the situation when the photo was taken that my comment might be totally useless. An example is my location, where no photos are allowed of many places and people in general without approval & consent. Hence some of my photos are not really what i want them to be.

So, I often just give a thumbs-up. Thats me saying "I like what I saw" or "I agree" with the post.
More thumbs is me shouting ang saying "very well done".

If I do not like it, well, the poster liked it enough to share. No reason for me to shoot it down.
Unless they specifically asked for comments, help or upinion. Well, I do not really want to shoot it down and genuinely trying to help, but i'm not into flowery words. SO SORRY, I DONT WANT TO BE MEAN, just being straight to the point with whats in my mind according to what I have experienced before, or how I solved a similar dilemma.

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Those are precisely the reasons why I seldom give ... (show quote)


Yup. If I like it I say that.
If it doesn't do anything for me, well,
next picture...

Not everyone likes what others like.

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Jan 3, 2024 15:36:51   #
WAstinkbug Loc: Silverdale, WA, U.S.A.
 
Well spoken! :-D

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Jan 4, 2024 08:28:13   #
Expressoman1 Loc: Jupiter, Fl. USA
 
NO.
It is not the camera, is the photographer behind a camera.
The photographer’s eye is as important as the brand name of the equipment used. I have seen an experienced photographer, Marcel from Miami, a Master Photographer (Coral Way Studio),
purchased a Yashica Mat 124, for $50, in the Bird Road Flea Market, mounting a
120 roll of Vericolor film ion the camera,
and later in the same visit to the Market
saw a little boy dress as a cowboy with toy guns and hat, he took 2 or 3 photos
manipulated the best image in the darkroom, printed a 16x20, which was a Masterpiece and hung in the PPA (Professional Photographers of America),
as a Loan Collection print.

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Jan 4, 2024 08:46:35   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Expressoman1 wrote:
NO.
It is not the camera, is the photographer behind a camera.
The photographer’s eye is as important as the brand name of the equipment used. I have seen an experienced photographer, Marcel from Miami, a Master Photographer (Coral Way Studio),
purchased a Yashica Mat 124, for $50, in the Bird Road Flea Market, mounting a
120 roll of Vericolor film ion the camera,
and later in the same visit to the Market
saw a little boy dress as a cowboy with toy guns and hat, he took 2 or 3 photos
manipulated the best image in the darkroom, printed a 16x20, which was a Masterpiece and hung in the PPA (Professional Photographers of America),
as a Loan Collection print.
NO. br It is not the camera, is the photographer b... (show quote)



One can have the "best", most expensive camera in the world,
but if one does not have a creative eye,
oh well.......

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Jan 4, 2024 09:31:22   #
Leinik Loc: Rochester NY
 
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Jan 4, 2024 09:31:34   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Expressoman1 wrote:
NO.
It is not the camera, is the photographer behind a camera.
The photographer’s eye is as important as the brand name of the equipment used. I have seen an experienced photographer, Marcel from Miami, a Master Photographer (Coral Way Studio),
purchased a Yashica Mat 124, for $50, in the Bird Road Flea Market, mounting a
120 roll of Vericolor film ion the camera,
and later in the same visit to the Market
saw a little boy dress as a cowboy with toy guns and hat, he took 2 or 3 photos
manipulated the best image in the darkroom, printed a 16x20, which was a Masterpiece and hung in the PPA (Professional Photographers of America),
as a Loan Collection print.
NO. br It is not the camera, is the photographer b... (show quote)


I'm not sure why you're surprised. A Yashica Mat 124 is a classic camera. Remember, it went for $50 at a flea market. The great thing about Yashicas is that the film they take is about 2 1/4" x 2 1/4" (I may not have the measurements exactly correct), and the lenses are excellent. It has none of the electronic bells and whistles of today's cameras. It is totally manual and you adjust focus by eye. However, if you get everything right, including focus, the huge film format could give you some outstanding photos. I hesitate to even guess how many megapixels a modern camera would need to approximate the camera you think is a cheap piece of junk. Digital cameras with 2 1/4" sensors go for 40-50K. I still have my Yashica. If you can get a Yashica for fifty bucks as well as some film, buy it, take some photos and be totally blown away.

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Jan 4, 2024 09:33:19   #
Leinik Loc: Rochester NY
 
Interesting:
Do you realise (even if I totally agree with you regarding a point that could be expressed in two sentences if not one: batteries and many other products are often made by few manufacturers and are then rebranded or even made specifically for a particular brand by a manufacturer that also produces "other brands".) that you are actually berating "others" (those not like you) while denouncing them for not being like you and berating others ;o)
Kind of a vicious circle, ain't it?
[Working part-time in a chain store may have provided you with some information but definitely do not suddenly make you an expert on any topic unless you actually research it and have real information (statistics) confirming what you have observed in a relatively small corner of the world.]
Now to somewhat balance this I have had non-photographic manufacturer's batteries that have failed (did not stand the charge very long after a short while, swelled to the point of not fitting into the camera anymore), maybe 10-20 % of the batteries I have used if not more but I have never had the "brand" ones do that.
Chance? Statistics (just a personal observation so from another small corner of the world)? in any case fact.

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