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Jan 2, 2024 20:11:24   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
There are numerous styles and approaches to photographic (people) portraiture. Someof the categories are classical/traditional, theatrical/glamour, abstract, candid journalistic, or whatever you like or can conjure up creatively. Each has many sub-categories and stylizations.

If I had to come up with a simple definition it would be"an image that makes a VISUAL statement about a person". The system is in the hands and eyes of the photograher. For example- low key portrait of a lovely lad- dark dress- dark background, etc- hs emphasizes the face and perhaps the body. The statement is perhaps "A lovely lady". If we were to change the dress to a bright fluorescent red dress or a more revealing outfit, the STATEMET may change to "a glamourous red or sexy dress, with and lovely lady in it- perhaps an entertainer or a model" The latter may be considered by some a "glamour" portraot or starting to look like a fashion shot. Ain't anythg wrong with that interpretation unless she was using the image to accompany her application for the position of a school teacher or a nurse? Tattoos, untraditional clothing, whatever, are all part of a person's personality self-image, or image they wanted to project.

Props, and background details, are elements that help tell a story about the subject.

In traditional portraiture, the subject (client) usually wants a flattering interpretation. Therein lies the artistry! It's hard work and ain't for the impatient or faint of heart. I can write a book but my typing in lousey!

I have been in the portrait business all my working life and have never had a client ask me for anything that would be considered pornographic or in poor taste.

For me- a good portrait consists of a good likeness, a natural expression and pose, and effective lighting.

If anyone out there is interested in fine portraiture- don't bother to define it. Bone up on your people skills, lighting, and camera technique, and photograph PEOPLE- as many as you can! Make those statements!

"Cheesecake" is good eating! A "hot babe" is an infant running a fever! STOP Already with the outdated lingo- what is this- the 7th grade?
There are numerous styles and approaches to photog... (show quote)


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Jan 2, 2024 21:59:01   #
srt101fan
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
There are numerous styles and approaches to photographic (people) portraiture. Someof the categories are classical/traditional, theatrical/glamour, abstract, candid journalistic, or whatever you like or can conjure up creatively. Each has many sub-categories and stylizations.

If I had to come up with a simple definition it would be"an image that makes a VISUAL statement about a person". The system is in the hands and eyes of the photograher. For example- low key portrait of a lovely lad- dark dress- dark background, etc- hs emphasizes the face and perhaps the body. The statement is perhaps "A lovely lady". If we were to change the dress to a bright fluorescent red dress or a more revealing outfit, the STATEMET may change to "a glamourous red or sexy dress, with and lovely lady in it- perhaps an entertainer or a model" The latter may be considered by some a "glamour" portraot or starting to look like a fashion shot. Ain't anythg wrong with that interpretation unless she was using the image to accompany her application for the position of a school teacher or a nurse? Tattoos, untraditional clothing, whatever, are all part of a person's personality self-image, or image they wanted to project.

Props, and background details, are elements that help tell a story about the subject.

In traditional portraiture, the subject (client) usually wants a flattering interpretation. Therein lies the artistry! It's hard work and ain't for the impatient or faint of heart. I can write a book but my typing in lousey!

I have been in the portrait business all my working life and have never had a client ask me for anything that would be considered pornographic or in poor taste.

For me- a good portrait consists of a good likeness, a natural expression and pose, and effective lighting.

If anyone out there is interested in fine portraiture- don't bother to define it. Bone up on your people skills, lighting, and camera technique, and photograph PEOPLE- as many as you can! Make those statements!

"Cheesecake" is good eating! A "hot babe" is an infant running a fever! STOP Already with the outdated lingo- what is this- the 7th grade?
There are numerous styles and approaches to photog... (show quote)



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Jan 3, 2024 05:48:28   #
Lukabulla
 
Most interesting topic and I look forward to more comments .
My main thing is taking ' Character portraits ' which I often combine with glamour .
It's often tricky , and have been accused ( by feminist types ) that some of my shots are too sexy .
Though to me its just portraits , Sexuality in photos ( if done right ) can bring out a lot of the persons character .
I've quickly chosen a couple of shots I took .
The colour one shows a lot of character especially with the self harm on the arm . Was just a quick 10 second shot in a nightclub in London .
The BW shot was a posed shot of an acquaintance in home studio .. The photo was with film and untouched . she objected strongly to the result , saying to me ' What have you done to me ? thats not me at all ' !! Cant win .lol lol





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Jan 3, 2024 07:21:01   #
tcthome Loc: NJ
 
Great story!

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Jan 3, 2024 07:39:20   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
radiojohn wrote:
Most of the loosely moderated FB pages for portraits are hit with semi nudes, heavily tattooed glamor, staged model shots and other sexually charged images.

As one poster said, "A portrait should let you see something of a person's personality regardless of what that may be. A glamor or cheesecake shot is meant to display sexy or attractiveness regardless of what a person's personality may be."

Has there been a blurring of types of photos or just sloppy admins. Your thoughts?
Most of the loosely moderated FB pages for portrai... (show quote)


A portrait is a portrait is a portrait is a portrait is a portrait.



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Jan 3, 2024 08:11:59   #
jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
There are numerous styles and approaches to photographic (people) portraiture. Someof the categories are classical/traditional, theatrical/glamour, abstract, candid journalistic, or whatever you like or can conjure up creatively. Each has many sub-categories and stylizations.

If I had to come up with a simple definition it would be"an image that makes a VISUAL statement about a person". The system is in the hands and eyes of the photograher. For example- low key portrait of a lovely lad- dark dress- dark background, etc- hs emphasizes the face and perhaps the body. The statement is perhaps "A lovely lady". If we were to change the dress to a bright fluorescent red dress or a more revealing outfit, the STATEMET may change to "a glamourous red or sexy dress, with and lovely lady in it- perhaps an entertainer or a model" The latter may be considered by some a "glamour" portraot or starting to look like a fashion shot. Ain't anythg wrong with that interpretation unless she was using the image to accompany her application for the position of a school teacher or a nurse? Tattoos, untraditional clothing, whatever, are all part of a person's personality self-image, or image they wanted to project.

Props, and background details, are elements that help tell a story about the subject.

In traditional portraiture, the subject (client) usually wants a flattering interpretation. Therein lies the artistry! It's hard work and ain't for the impatient or faint of heart. I can write a book but my typing in lousey!

I have been in the portrait business all my working life and have never had a client ask me for anything that would be considered pornographic or in poor taste.

For me- a good portrait consists of a good likeness, a natural expression and pose, and effective lighting.

If anyone out there is interested in fine portraiture- don't bother to define it. Bone up on your people skills, lighting, and camera technique, and photograph PEOPLE- as many as you can! Make those statements!

"Cheesecake" is good eating! A "hot babe" is an infant running a fever! STOP Already with the outdated lingo- what is this- the 7th grade?
There are numerous styles and approaches to photog... (show quote)



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Jan 3, 2024 08:17:38   #
fuminous Loc: Luling, LA... for now...
 
[quote=Timmers]During WW II there was a portrait made of the European Babe-A-Luscious Margret Bourke White. She had gone on what was suppose to be 'A milk run' over Germany, Of course she was Ikes main squeeze and got anything she wanted, even beyond reason, like flyingin a B-17 bomber over Germany.....(snip)

I suggest you read MBW's autobiography, "Portrait Of Myself".... for her words on that event. And, as Lagniappe, and a pretty good parallel, try Martha Gellhorn's "Travels with Myself and Another". Also note both were married (briefly) to already very successful authors.

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Jan 3, 2024 08:37:18   #
jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana
 
Lukabulla wrote:
Most interesting topic and I look forward to more comments .
My main thing is taking ' Character portraits ' which I often combine with glamour .
It's often tricky , and have been accused ( by feminist types ) that some of my shots are too sexy .
Though to me its just portraits , Sexuality in photos ( if done right ) can bring out a lot of the persons character .
I've quickly chosen a couple of shots I took .
The colour one shows a lot of character especially with the self harm on the arm . Was just a quick 10 second shot in a nightclub in London .
The BW shot was a posed shot of an acquaintance in home studio .. The photo was with film and untouched . she objected strongly to the result , saying to me ' What have you done to me ? thats not me at all ' !! Cant win .lol lol
Most interesting topic and I look forward to more ... (show quote)



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Jan 3, 2024 08:56:26   #
Bubbee Loc: Aventura, Florida
 
Lukabulla wrote:
Most interesting topic and I look forward to more comments .
My main thing is taking ' Character portraits ' which I often combine with glamour .
It's often tricky , and have been accused ( by feminist types ) that some of my shots are too sexy .
Though to me its just portraits , Sexuality in photos ( if done right ) can bring out a lot of the persons character .
I've quickly chosen a couple of shots I took .
The colour one shows a lot of character especially with the self harm on the arm . Was just a quick 10 second shot in a nightclub in London .
The BW shot was a posed shot of an acquaintance in home studio .. The photo was with film and untouched . she objected strongly to the result , saying to me ' What have you done to me ? thats not me at all ' !! Cant win .lol lol
Most interesting topic and I look forward to more ... (show quote)


I think they're both gorgeous....subjects and photography.

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Jan 3, 2024 09:03:30   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
radiojohn wrote:
Most of the loosely moderated FB pages for portraits are hit with semi nudes, heavily tattooed glamor, staged model shots and other sexually charged images.

As one poster said, "A portrait should let you see something of a person's personality regardless of what that may be. A glamor or cheesecake shot is meant to display sexy or attractiveness regardless of what a person's personality may be."

Has there been a blurring of types of photos or just sloppy admins. Your thoughts?
Most of the loosely moderated FB pages for portrai... (show quote)


The famous portrait photographer, Yousuf Karsh, worked to show the subject's personality. I think he was the one who supposedly pulled the cigar out of Churchill's hand just before the took that famous shot.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/23/winston-churchill-portrait-stolen-canadian-hotel-yousuf-karsh

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Jan 3, 2024 09:05:48   #
GLSmith Loc: Tampa, Fl
 
Considering they are all from "Look at me I have a camera, so I must be a photographer"....Just SCROLL or block

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Jan 3, 2024 09:52:21   #
DebAnn Loc: Toronto
 
radiojohn wrote:
Most of the loosely moderated FB pages for portraits are hit with semi nudes, heavily tattooed glamor, staged model shots and other sexually charged images.

As one poster said, "A portrait should let you see something of a person's personality regardless of what that may be. A glamor or cheesecake shot is meant to display sexy or attractiveness regardless of what a person's personality may be."

Has there been a blurring of types of photos or just sloppy admins. Your thoughts?
Most of the loosely moderated FB pages for portrai... (show quote)


Let's simplify what a portrait is. It is a picture focused on a person. I consider myself to be primarily a portrait photographer (not a pro). I look for shots that reflect personality or something about the person I know. A shot that makes me feel something about them. Sometimes, the most favourite photos of a person aren't studio shot images, but ones that simply say "Wow, that really shows the real Bob (or whoever).

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Jan 3, 2024 10:14:04   #
sippyjug104 Loc: Missouri
 
I hate those semi-nudes, heavily tattooed glamor, staged model shots, and other sexually charged images. I visit Facebook, looking for them all day and night to remind me why I look for them. 😁

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Jan 3, 2024 10:41:48   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
radiojohn wrote:
Most of the loosely moderated FB pages for portraits are hit with semi nudes, heavily tattooed glamor, staged model shots and other sexually charged images.

As one poster said, "A portrait should let you see something of a person's personality regardless of what that may be. A glamor or cheesecake shot is meant to display sexy or attractiveness regardless of what a person's personality may be."

Has there been a blurring of types of photos or just sloppy admins. Your thoughts?
Most of the loosely moderated FB pages for portrai... (show quote)


I hesitate to comment, since I'm not on FaceBook, have never used it, and intend never to use it.

I really don't see a "versus" here — at all. Personally, I like portraits to be about personality. For me, it's all about the expression. It's a glimpse of the person's nature, purpose, presence, soul… whatever that is. Glamourousness and sexiness are projected facets of personality. They may be utter fantasy, but many people want to see that fantasy, or be that fantasy, if only momentarily.

I have absolutely no issues with people showing off their bodies, their expensive fashions, their exotic makeup skills, etc., if that's what they have, or want, to show. Let them project what they wish to project about themselves, within the boundaries of the site's taste or acceptability.

In the end, the subject is MORE in charge of what they want to display than the photographer is. There may, in some instances, be an agent involved, such as in promotional images of actors, or images of models selling a product. OTOH, a lot of images on social media are "selfies", displayed out of pure vanity. Even the ones made by professional photographers may not reflect the tastes and insights of the photographer. Whatever is posted on a site as a "portrait," I think we have to take at face value.

If someone comes to me and says, "Take my portrait, please…," I'm going to have a conversation with them to understand who they are, what makes them "tick," how they wish to appear before others, and most importantly, why they want to look like that. It's a serious consideration, one that I don't take lightly and one that they shouldn't take lightly, either.

I've been a HUGE fan of Annie Leibovitz since her work appeared in RollingStone in the 1970s. She's an extremely accomplished celebrity and portrait photographer. While a lot of her work shows similar approaches, what sets her apart is her ability to connect with the people she portrays, and reveal something appealing or unusual or insightful about them. She manages to peel back the layers of awkwardness surrounding a portrait session, make a connection, and reveal something more than surface-level about the person. Everything she does supports that skill.

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Jan 3, 2024 11:13:20   #
Don, the 2nd son Loc: Crowded Florida
 
Longshadow wrote:
NOT playing games.....

Too many people are narrow minded and only accept THEIR definition/interpretation of things.



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